Heaven and Hell.

[PenitentDemon]

I just got Heaven and Hell am looking through it.

Heres a few Questions I have.

Is it probaly safe to say that the "Peace of god" Isnt Violated by a superior, or the inquisition, destroying an angel, so long as the act is lawful.

or by Duals of honor, or wargames where all partys are willing (it implied it but doesnt say so EXPLICITLY and am curious on opinions)

Secondly Im running a sologame with a PC Familiar right now... im a bit nervous on how to handle corporeal death if it happens as a combination of few celestial forces, and a relatively low will could mean a lot of poor rolls. obviously thats part of the risk I know but thoughts.

[William]

Presumably the Pax Dei does make exception for lawful executions, yes.

Michael's Groves include a duelling ground, which is fully legal. Duels can be carried out to various extents, such as first blood, which would require an act of violence, though they are never to the death.

However!

It might be entirely interesting to say that the Pax Dei would be violated by a duel or an execution, so that duels have to take place in bodies on Earth -- Michael wouldn't mind, he'd just mind if you lost, and you'd have to pay to replace your Vessel just like any other loss -- and so do executions. In such a case, the last sight a condemned angel sees is not the glories of Heaven, but the corporeal plane. This might give opportunities for demons to try breaking free condemned angels before the execution can be carried out.

[robkelk]

For dueling, there's also the option of dueling with padded weapons and "calling your injuries" - acting as if your opponent's blows had their normal effect - so that skill is demonstrated without damage being inflicted. That shouldn't violate the Pax Dei. (There are 3e GURPS rules for this in GURPS Fantasy: Harkwood. Those of us who play original-flavour In Nomine will have to come up with something on our own.)

For executions... You've got me there. Sometimes a Superior needs to take apart an angel's Forces in order to remove a Geas, so the act of disbanding an angel's Forces isn't a breach of the Pax Dei in and of itself. The intent behind the act, though, would likely make a difference...

[Andygal]

I've seen in IN fics, angels using practice weapons that cause pain, but no actual damage. I don't think it's quite canonical but could allow hardcore duelists to have "proper" duels without any actual injury.

[JCD]

Or maybe Michael's Grove backs onto the Marchs, so that they engage in the reasonably moderate ethereal combat.

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by robkelk

(There are 3e GURPS rules for this in GURPS Fantasy: Harkwood. Those of us who play original-flavour In Nomine will have to come up with something on our own.)

That's amazingly old school. For 4e there's an entire sub-chapter in Martial Arts dedicated to tournament combat.

[darksaba]

Originally Posted by William

Presumably the Pax Dei does make exception for lawful executions, yes.

Who'd be getting executed in Heaven? Surely theres no crime an angel could commit that would warrent such treatment. If they screw up they just get demoted into obscurity. If they actually start doing something wrong then they become outcast and get exilied. If they act really wrong, then they fall and... well a trial and public execuation isn't really necessay (or even possible)

[PenitentDemon]

Lol Read Heaven and Hell.

OR the Angelic Players guide. or the Gamemasters Guide.

Most angels who seem like likely fall canidates are briskly Executed by Judgement.

Im not sure how how universal judgement is on killing outcastes though.


(probaly "depends on the theme of your game")


like do you think they'll allow an outcaste whos superior cast him out of heaven to "teach him a lesson" a chance to learn it, so long as he didnt start fraternizing with Diabolicals or Acquiring dissonance by the truckloads, etc.


someone knowingly fraternizing with diabolicals, and having learned an infernal rite or two, yep he needs disbanding.

[robkelk]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

That's amazingly old school. For 4e there's an entire sub-chapter in Martial Arts dedicated to tournament combat.

True. But GURPS In Nomine is 3e, not 4e, hence my pointing folks at the 3e rules for this. If somebody wants even more detail than what's in Harkwood, then sure, adapt 4e Martial Arts back to the 3e rules...

[Dalillama]

Originally Posted by PenitentDemon

Im not sure how how universal judgement is on killing outcastes though.


(probaly "depends on the theme of your game")

someone knowingly fraternizing with diabolicals, and having learned an infernal rite or two, yep he needs disbanding.

In fact this came up recently in the game in which I'm a player. An outcast (voluntarily) who had wound up running with a group of Lust Demons was on trial. Being as how he'd helped one of the PCs out of a rather sticky situation involving the aforementioned demons, several of the PCs testified on his behalf, and his sentence was commuted.