03-05-2011, 12:00 PM | #21 |
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Re: Something much better than high school
This is completely untrue. There are quite a few things I'd still want to do through other means than a natural-language interface, even at TL10. Keyboards, mice, and other interface devices will not become obsolete once natural language processing is possible, and neither will operating systems, various operating system settings, and programs like Photoshop, Microsoft Word, etc.
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03-05-2011, 12:01 PM | #22 | ||
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Re: Something much better than high school
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Why would it be unreasonable if having a solid grounding in a wide variety of academic skills would improve your defaults with others and at the rate at which you gain new ones, the game effect of higher IQ? It seems to me that this game effect models the observed effects of high-quality education that teaches research, independent analysis of sources, critical thinking and the construction of reasoned arguments. Militaries that have to teach people to perform a wide range of previously unknown tasks under pressure in a short period of time vastly prefer people with a broad education. This is not necessarily because their civilian education will have included skill in rewiring vehicles or calling in airstrikes, but because they have learned how to learn. It takes a shorter time to train a college-educated person to be a special operator than it takes to train someone with the same level of native intelligence, but without the same education. Obviously, individuals differ greatly and anecdotal evidence can be found in any direction, but this effect is nevertheless real and measurable. The differences are startling and amount to a +1 to +2 IQ in GURPS terms. Quote:
Obviously, this would depend on the student, to a great deal. But some basics would be standard parts of the curriculum, with others as electives or advanced courses. I would suggest using the Dabbler Perk to represent fields of minor study, like a one semester elective in Greek drama, and full points in skills that the character has devoted multiple semesters to. Computer Operations, Research and Writing seem like obvious skills to teach anyone preparing for a college-level education. Anyone with an interest in science would learn more math than suggested by a default, but I'll confess enough lack of interest in the subject myself so that I don't know whether it is common to teach Maths (Pure) to anyone but mathematicians and computer scientists. Perhaps Maths (Applied) would be what most people learned. Or not. Maths (Computer Science) and Maths (Statistics) also seem likely to be required for further study of many viable career paths. Dabbler or a full point in some field of Physics seems like a fairly solid bet at TL10 and Astronomy as well. That's for a spacefaring culture, of course. The value of these skills will depend heavily on how much of the planet's econmy takes place in space. If working on a spaceliner or space station is a viable career path, they will be common. If not, well, they are not exactly commonplace with average people today. Geology (planetology) might also have applications for a space-traveller, but much more so if the setting has FTL travel. Chemistry, of course, would be learned at Dabbler level for anyone contemplating many science careers. Expert Skill (Computer Security) is an obvious choice for anyone with an interest in working with computers, as is Computer Programming. The whole range of Electronic Operations and Repair skills would also be offered as electives for technically minded students who plan to enter tech-heavy fields. Mathematics (Cryptology) might also see use and Cryptography, depending on how much computer security and countermeasures are an intergral part of high-tech careers. Life sciences like Biology and its engineering cousin, Bioengineering, could be vital in bio-tech cultures. While most of the study in these fields would be college-level, perhaps lab technicians can get away with having a good grounding in the basics. Also, it helps a lot if students arrive at their universities with a solid background in the skills they are supposed to learn there. Prospective doctors would add Physiology. Skills that aid a person in keeping track of an understanding all the information in a high-tech society could be useful. Current Affairs represents keeping up to date on the news and currents of society and might be vital for a student's future prospects. If he doesn't know about any opportunities, he won't grab them. But the lack of information, as such, is rarely a problem in high-tech societies. Knowing the difference between quality data and bovine dung is. Someone who studied any of Economics, Expert Skill (Memetics), Expert Skill (Political Science), Intelligence Analysis, Market Analysis or Sociology will be much better equipped to understand the factors that affect him and his conditions. The History skill will frequently be learned in conjunction with Intelligence Analysis, as the higher levels of study in that field (as opposed to the trivia-memorisation of high schoolers today) involve the analysis of multiple sources in an attempt to determine the true factors that led to a given event or episode. Someone with aptitude or interest in the arts might be pushed to pick up an Artist speciality, Performance, musical skills, Literature or Poetry. Philosophy or Theology are also fairly likely to be offered to those who show interest in these fields and it is possible that certain cultures emphasise them for all students. Public Speaking suits those seeking to pursue careers in the limelight, as well as, likely, more Writing and perhaps some Dabbler in Administration and any of Finance, Law, Leadership, Politics, Teaching or other appropriate skills to the careers they seek. Depends on their specific society. In general, there would be a lot of 'Who cares? We've got bigger problems than a certain percentage of our young lacking a good education. For one thing, TL10 means that a great portion of our work force have lower marginal value as labour than their cost of living. So as long as those kids are happy looking for fun, more power to them.'
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Thus, it is in the interest of society that people should accumulate as much education as possible, in order to be employable as superior source of educated labour when compared to the cheaper mass-produced workers and that they should marry late. Quote:
But where will these people find work while they still don't have any skills that cannot be bought more cheaply at a robot or bioroid factory?
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03-05-2011, 12:20 PM | #24 | |
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Re: Something much better than high school
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03-05-2011, 12:22 PM | #25 |
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Re: Something much better than high school
There's that perk (in the Perks book, even...) that lets a character have improved defaults on up to eight skills for 1cp (with even higher defaults by "doubling up" on skills...). It was designed (according to some posts I've seen...) to reflect a generic liberal-arts education (i.e., the generic student coming out of college).
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03-05-2011, 12:23 PM | #26 | |
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Re: Something much better than high school
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03-05-2011, 12:28 PM | #27 |
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Re: Something much better than high school
I still think there'll be a place for human educators. The AI's working in cooperation (and being aware of the gifts of both students and teachers) would pair off kids and educators to promote the best results. AI's can do a huge amount, but there are human gifts and knacks of value too.
I'd vote for raising the IQ. However, while this type of education might enhance general knowledge, analytical and perception, I don't see that it would lead to giant wills (although it wouldn't weaken wills either). I could see a kid with and IQ of 15 except his will is 13, as a typical graduate of this system. Sure he/she would be listed as having a weak-will disadvantage, but their will would still be stronger than an IQ 10 person with two levels of strong will.
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03-05-2011, 12:54 PM | #28 |
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Re: Something much better than high school
I could get behind a "raised IQ + reduced Will" option, as it would seem reasonable, but even that may depend on the AI. It is likely that such AI's would be the result of extensive research and design efforts, and that they would also possess the ability to monitor certain physiological functions as part of adapting to the student. An individual who exhibited social awkwardness or a weak will may find their curriculum tweaked to bolster those areas.
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03-05-2011, 12:59 PM | #29 | ||
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03-05-2011, 01:21 PM | #30 |
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Re: Something much better than high school
Perception definitely CAN be trained, I am just not sure if it WOULD be. It would probably depend a lot on the politics of the society - many governments would prefer a smart but oblivious populace.
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