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Old 09-15-2006, 10:58 AM   #21
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You're not telling them that they don't need guns. You're telling them that they aren't supposed to carry guns. While plenty of ops exist where guns aren't needed, most of them are boring and thus aren't actually roleplayed.
It's still like taking candy from a baby.

I've gotten them to operate without guns occasionally, in Europe or other places where guns stand out too much.

On one memorable occasion, a PC was in a bar in St. Petersburg where there were several organised crime members with bodyguards. The PC heard in his comm gear that their survaillance team had been compromised through bad luck and he knew that he had only seconds until the guards would grab him as an obvious stranger. He drew a ceramic knife from a hidden sheath and slashed the throat of a one guard. He then turned him around to make a shield from the others around him, drew the guard's Guyrza pistol and shot three men dead.

Then he walked out.

We were stunned for a few seconds by the ferocity of the PC's solution. The other players were expecting him to run. ;)
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Old 09-17-2006, 11:23 AM   #22
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If you are being truly Bondish, it will be hard to beat a S&W ASP.

Come to think of it, a good facility can ASP-ize nearly any compact handgun.
And a Walther product would be stylish and appropriate. Bond carries a P99 now, doesn't he?

The P7M8 is more concealable.

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If being more realistic, something dirt-common in the target area. Have your Q-Branch armorers go over it to make it the best it can be. (ie fine or VFine)

That would also work for just about anything covert. A century-series AK with the roughed up furniture of an old AKM will go unnoticed in most of the world's hotspots.
Not Very Fine, though, I suspect that would be easily noticable.

Just have an armorer go over the internal mechanism to ensure reliability (Fine).

It also helps when you can pick up ammunition from the enemy.

Any AK-type firearm would not be very useful at long ranges, but then, neither would an M4.

In GURPS-stat terms, though, I seem to remember even a 5.56mm carbine having superior 1/2 D range and maybe even accuracy to both the AK-47 and AK-74.
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Old 09-18-2006, 01:43 PM   #23
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the G 36 series isnt to recomend for prolonged activities......
Its pretty sensible for hits, if you dropp it or hit accidently some thing the the aiming changes, qualifiying for an accuracy drop of one or 2 till u get profience with the new aiming.

I have shot it in my time at the german army, its not as cool as it looks at the paper, caue u have to be real catious not spoiling the aim while crawling or other military activities.
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Old 09-18-2006, 04:59 PM   #24
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I have shot it in my time at the german army, its not as cool as it looks at the paper, caue u have to be real catious not spoiling the aim while crawling or other military activities.
I'd like to hear any other opinions you may have about the G36. Sounds like H&K might need to do some soldier-proofing on the weapon.

Maybe when they are finished "fixing" every other nation's rifles. :)
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Old 09-19-2006, 01:43 AM   #25
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the G 36 series isnt to recomend for prolonged activities......
Its pretty sensible for hits, if you dropp it or hit accidently some thing the the aiming changes, qualifiying for an accuracy drop of one or 2 till u get profience with the new aiming.

I have shot it in my time at the german army, its not as cool as it looks at the paper, caue u have to be real catious not spoiling the aim while crawling or other military activities.
Okay, the zero changes with hard handling.

Is that the fault of the sights or the gun? Could it be fixed by Loc-tite or similar?

Are the sights more or less rugged than the British SUSAT?
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I'd like to hear any other opinions you may have about the G36. Sounds like H&K might need to do some soldier-proofing on the weapon.

Maybe when they are finished "fixing" every other nation's rifles. :)
In all fairness, the Brits should be pleased with having their rifle fixed.

Or they could just go back to the SLR? ;)
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Old 09-22-2006, 02:40 PM   #27
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To Icelander.

Regarding the Walther PP .380 ACP. maybe "tiny round" is is accurate at short range at jus clasic designe.

Have not fired the HK P7M8/13 but I have handle it and it is great!

357 sig. our game stats are 3d-1. Nice enough :)
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Old 09-27-2006, 07:31 AM   #28
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Regarding the Walther PP .380 ACP. maybe "tiny round" is is accurate at short range at jus clasic designe.
It depends heavily on realism level.

If the PC is as good as Bond and the rules of the world are very cinematic, then the PPK is a fine weapon.

If the PC is not necessarily a brilliant marksman with any pistol and might have to fire in darkness, while stressed and at more than one moving target; but still needs to achieve immediate stops in a short time, he needs a heavier round and a higher ammo capacity.

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Have not fired the HK P7M8/13 but I have handle it and it is great!
Where did you get to be so lucky? Usually it's hard to find pistols anywhere in Iceland.

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357 sig. our game stats are 3d-1. Nice enough :)
From what gun?

I suspect that from a GLOCK 31, the 3d-1 is accurate or even a bit conservative, but how about compact and sub-compact guns? The P229 is listed as 3d-2, which is meant to represent the lesser velocity achieved with a shorter barrel, but a HK USP Compact does not lose any velocity in 9mm, .40 S&W or .45 ACP.

In GURPS 3e RAW, the stats are somewhat inconsistent and the .357 SIG is the main victim.
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In all fairness, the Brits should be pleased with having their rifle fixed.

Or they could just go back to the SLR? ;)
As I understand it, all the weapons they fixed had long-standing problems.

I like what they did with their proposal for the M4/M16. Didn't they do something with the AUG for the Australian army?

Only downside, to paraphrase the H&K motto, "In a world of compromise, not compromising is expensive."
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As I understand it, all the weapons they fixed had long-standing problems.
You can say that again.

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I like what they did with their proposal for the M4/M16. Didn't they do something with the AUG for the Australian army?
I haven't heard about H&K doing that. I'd have thought ADI would receive any contracts for such things. I could be wrong, though, Australia is pretty far away from me. ;)

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Only downside, to paraphrase the H&K motto, "In a world of compromise, not compromising is expensive."
And that, mon frere, you can inscribe in gold letters somewhere. ;)
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