09-13-2018, 12:32 AM | #31 |
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Re: Empathy with low IQ
If only. ;)
He only ever made such claims about things that I could not profit from, assuming I believed in psychic powers.
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02-06-2019, 01:04 AM | #32 |
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Re: Empathy with low IQ
Glad I've stumbled on this thread. This empathy rule wording in Basic Set gave me headache. And I also thought in the lines of making critical failure an outright lie. But for a finer degree of control what if we use margin of failure. Fail IQ (or Per) roll by 5 or more (or 3 or more or what have you, up for debate) and you get complete lie from GM. If you fail less you are not sure. Or you sense right in the general but miss the details and have a wrong assumption about specifics (at GM's discretion). I actually get to read many books on psychology and in a general sense empathy is reading facial expression, mimics, gestures, posture, eye movements. There can be numerous reasons for the same set of these variables. Unless you use detect lies skill your guess is more of an intuition. Also an idea to have Intuition advantage used in pairing with Empathy. So Empathy will not tell you if someone lies or not. But rather the "something is wrong" feel about the person or situation. Maybe lie by omission thing or something like that.
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02-06-2019, 01:19 AM | #33 |
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02-06-2019, 11:33 AM | #34 |
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Agree that it would solve the problem. But the problem is created by the rules. It seems strange that taken without the reliable enhancement this advantage is kind of a liability. I would rather enhance something that works for it to work better than patching up something.
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02-06-2019, 12:35 PM | #37 |
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02-06-2019, 12:40 PM | #38 |
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Re: Empathy with low IQ
How unbalancing would it be to change the advantages to give truth on a success, nothing on a failure, and lies only on a critical failure? That would nicely bypass the problem of low effective skill actually being better at getting information than effective skill ten, but it would undoubtedly increase the utility of the advantages. If this change would make them too good for their cost, what sort of cost might be appropriate?
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02-06-2019, 07:03 PM | #39 |
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Re: Empathy with low IQ
And Detect Lies, which is in the same ballpark, utility-wise. Fortune-Telling doesn't give as much value, IME, mostly because players aren't much interested in it.
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02-06-2019, 09:42 PM | #40 |
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Re: Empathy with low IQ
I've always thought that traits like this should be sold as having their own unique "activation level," rather than being tied to an attribute.
We can see from the Reliable enhancement that the game designers don't think having effective maximum "activation level" on these sorts of advantage is much more valuable than the base price of the trait. By having it use an attribute, I think they had to price it as though it just always worked at full effect. So I would treat the base price of the advantage as having a high "activation level" and then attempt to price it from there. Level - Cost 5 - 3 8 - 6 11 - 9 14 - 12 18 - 15 Something like that. The problem with trying to do this with something like Empathy is that it also acts as a Talent, giving a bonus to skills. I would strip that part out. I don't know how much that should affect the cost of the trait.
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