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Re: If interstellar Colonies become possible, who goes first?
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11-03-2017, 06:53 AM | #22 |
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Re: If interstellar Colonies become possible, who goes first?
Guys, you seem to assume that the ecconomics of Transhuman Space are totally identical to those of 2017. Let"s remember the relative wealth is far greater particularly off planet and in fifth wave societies.
Also large numbers of people live their lives off planet in artificial habitats. It is far less of a burden for these folks to live on space ships for extended periods.
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11-03-2017, 12:18 PM | #23 |
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Re: If interstellar Colonies become possible, who goes first?
It doesn't matter, interstellar travel is by its nature energy intensive, and therefore extremely expensive. Interstellar distances are vast. Any colony you establish will be at significant expense, and completely independent from the beginning. The costs of shipping and the turnaround times mean that unless you find some truly ridiculous unobtainium, physical goods aren't ever going to be profitable under hard physics and economics, even for Type III civilizations, and the solar system in 2100 isn't even really Type I yet.
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11-03-2017, 12:47 PM | #24 |
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Re: If interstellar Colonies become possible, who goes first?
That really doesn't matter. Even if we handwave transport costs to zero (which is not what your proposal does), colonizing an extrasolar planet would be a lot of effort for no real benefit. Someone might do it as a PR stunt, but you won't get anything significant until there's a better reason than "because we can".
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11-03-2017, 05:58 PM | #25 |
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Re: If interstellar Colonies become possible, who goes first?
What, and leave their children no chance of visiting Jerusalem / Rome / Mecca / Salt Lake City / Izumo / insert-other-important-religious-locations-on-Earth ever again? I suspect they'd stay on Earth and send everybody else instead, if they had the ability.
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11-03-2017, 08:44 PM | #26 |
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Re: If interstellar Colonies become possible, who goes first?
Nah. You just need a prophet to take them to the "true" holy land amongst the stars. Obviously works best for revelation based religions/sects that can make such major changes quickly.
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11-04-2017, 01:36 AM | #27 |
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Good point. New faiths are a Transhuman Space commonplace. Further, with memetics, secular idealists could inspire similar devotion.
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Also certain people might see the solar system as hostile to their ideal of Freedom or Justice. They'd leave to secure a human future for their children just as the Puritans took a massive risk crossing the Atlantic to secure a godly future for their children. Settler colonization is rarely all that rational in motive.
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It seems that the only reasonable motivation for full colonies rather than scientific outposts is one of extreme somewhat self-harming xenophobia. Religious zealotry just being a subset of that.
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