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Old 06-03-2010, 04:38 PM   #1
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In Liber Canticorum, there is a Song that can put the target to sleep. It works for hours on mortals and for minutes on celestials.

But I'm curious. How would it (or anything else that can send a human or celestial to sleepy-time) work on a Kyriotate?

Would the Kyriotate's current host fall asleep for a "mortal" time period, forcing those particular Forces to find another home?

Would it do the above, but tie up those Forces until the host awakes, possibly by sending the Forces into the Marches with the sleeper?

Would it cause the Kyrio itself to fall asleep, causing all its current hosts to temporarily regain control of themselves?

Would it cause the Kyrio itself to fall asleep, causing all its current hosts to do the same?

I'm away from my books, so maybe there's a simple answer I'm overlooking. But I'm interested in hearing what the IN hive mind has to say on the subject.
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Old 06-03-2010, 06:07 PM   #2
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In Liber Canticorum, there is a Song that can put the target to sleep. It works for hours on mortals and for minutes on celestials.

But I'm curious. How would it (or anything else that can send a human or celestial to sleepy-time) work on a Kyriotate?

Would the Kyriotate's current host fall asleep for a "mortal" time period, forcing those particular Forces to find another home?

Would it do the above, but tie up those Forces until the host awakes, possibly by sending the Forces into the Marches with the sleeper?

Would it cause the Kyrio itself to fall asleep, causing all its current hosts to temporarily regain control of themselves?

Would it cause the Kyrio itself to fall asleep, causing all its current hosts to do the same?

I'm away from my books, so maybe there's a simple answer I'm overlooking. But I'm interested in hearing what the IN hive mind has to say on the subject.
In the APG (p55), it says that hosts who are stunned or knocked unconscious make the Forces there unavailable, and farther down the page it says that Kyrios cannot enter the Marches via a sleeping host, but must make a Will roll to put 3+ Forces into a dreamlike state, whereupon they will manifest in the Marches. The FAQ notes that if a Kyrio's host is possessed out from under it, it's forced celestial if it has no other hosets, otherwise simply loses control of the Vessel. Going by that, it looks like the Kyrio would lose access to the Forces in the host until it could be woken up, but wouldn't be sent to the Marches.
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Old 06-03-2010, 06:13 PM   #3
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In the APG (p55), it says that hosts who are stunned or knocked unconscious make the Forces there unavailable, and farther down the page it says that Kyrios cannot enter the Marches via a sleeping host, but must make a Will roll to put 3+ Forces into a dreamlike state, whereupon they will manifest in the Marches. The FAQ notes that if a Kyrio's host is possessed out from under it, it's forced celestial if it has no other hosets, otherwise simply loses control of the Vessel. Going by that, it looks like the Kyrio would lose access to the Forces in the host until it could be woken up, but wouldn't be sent to the Marches.
Thanks, DL. I appreciate the reference work.

That last sentence makes me wonder further, though. What happens if all of a Kyrio's hosts are put to sleep at once, thus tying up all its Forces? Does the Kyrio go celestial? Or is it literally bound where it is until the hosts awake?
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Old 06-03-2010, 10:24 PM   #4
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That last sentence makes me wonder further, though. What happens if all of a Kyrio's hosts are put to sleep at once, thus tying up all its Forces? Does the Kyrio go celestial? Or is it literally bound where it is until the hosts awake?
The last sentence was specifically about a host being possessed out from under it; I'd assume that a Kyrio with two hosts that get simultaneously put to sleep just suffers the same fate as any other celestial who gets knocked out ... a couple rounds drooling on the floor.
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