11-08-2015, 05:07 PM | #41 | |
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Re: [Basic] Skill of the week: Housekeeping
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The person who just hasn't made those things habitual, and has to roll to think of them, is different from the person who totally has no clue. That version would be Incompetence, I think.
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11-08-2015, 07:30 PM | #42 | |
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Re: [Basic] Skill of the week: Housekeeping
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Cooking would be used on TL3 Banquet so it not equipment based. But yes Housekeeping would be the more appropriate for campfire cooking than cooking though Housekeeping = cook the family meal Cooking = impress with cooking. |
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11-08-2015, 07:37 PM | #43 |
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Re: [Basic] Skill of the week: Housekeeping
Actually, for campfire cooking, I would allow Survival to substitute.
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11-08-2015, 07:40 PM | #44 |
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Re: [Basic] Skill of the week: Housekeeping
Or Solider for trail cooking.
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11-08-2015, 11:26 PM | #45 |
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Re: [Basic] Skill of the week: Housekeeping
At what stage do ingredients stop counting as raw and start counting as prepared? In modern Western society very few people start with 'and first you chop the chickens head off'
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11-09-2015, 12:01 AM | #46 | |
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Re: [Basic] Skill of the week: Housekeeping
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Of course there are borderline cases.
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11-09-2015, 01:51 AM | #47 | |
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And second, there's division of labour. As Bill says, in pre-modern societies especially, marriage is very much the expected norm because it's a practical partnership in which the man goes out and grows crops or earns cash while the woman stays home and does Housekeeping for both of them. The pre-TL8 sitcom stereotype of the man who comes home at the end of a long day at work and then slobs out while his long-suffering wife cleans around him doubtless has a basis in truth for many, many families.
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11-09-2015, 03:16 AM | #48 | ||
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Not to mention that the idea that a normal person with IQ+2 in Housekeeping, i.e. a professional housekeeper, would only have a 74% chance of successfully cooking a meal is pretty far-fetched. A TL5-7 professional housekeeper probably cooked at least 2-3 meals a day, excluding afternoon tea, and it would be pretty astonishing if every other day her Victorian 'gentlemen' boarders would have to go without breakfast, dinner or supper because she somehow failed at preparing them. That's not what professional skill level should represent. If you regularly fail at stuff you do every day, you have a much lower skill level than 12. To me, everything on that list is easy enough so that a normal person ought to be able to perform it off a default without much of a chance for failure. Cooking a meal might require a Dabbler Perk or other improved default to bring the skill level from 5-6 to around 8 in order to succeed** pretty much all the time, but the rest is all TDM +10 stuff. Now, having the ability to do something and actually doing it are two different things. With certain Status levels in many historical societies came memes that performing many Housekeeping tasks was menial and demeaning to anyone viewing themselves as above the social status of servants and related memes divided tasks according to gender lines. Residue from these memes still lingers and causes many modern people that aspire to middle-class lifestyles, i.e. most modern people, to neglect developing habits related to the regular use of Housekeeping skill. That, however, is the realm of other GURPS traits than Skills, such as Disadvantages and Quirks. The individual Housekeeping tasks that many people are reluctant to perform are not made any more challenging in game terms by the fact that a lot of people don't want to have to bother with them if they can avoid it. I'll buy that Housekeeping Job Rolls, modified, if necessary, with Quirks or Disadvantages related to gender and Status, can abstract a whole month of good or bad habits. But that doesn't make managing to turn off the lights without any sort of time pressure or stressors a check against unmodified IQ for a character without Housekeeping skill. That sort of thing makes characters with point values supposedly fit for real people unrealistically feeble, in that they'd probably kill themselves in weeks just trying to survive the 'challenges' of an average life. *I shut off lights if they bother me, but electric costs are so low in Iceland that I have no pressing reason to worry about lights in other rooms that do not actually interfere with my sleeping. **Succcess defined as 'meal is prepared so that it can be safely consumed'. There's a lot of difference between good cooks and uninspired and tired people who just want a warm meal with a mininum of hassle, but that difference is not expressed by having the latter fail to prepare dinner every week.
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11-09-2015, 04:05 AM | #49 | |
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Re: [Basic] Skill of the week: Housekeeping
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11-09-2015, 04:40 AM | #50 |
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Re: [Basic] Skill of the week: Housekeeping
I have to agree with Icelander that most of the basic housekeeping task such as cleaning a few dishes etc. are really really easy - in the +10 at least variety. All the examples of the unwashed dishes and un-emptied garbage cans seem to me not as a specific failed housekeeping roll but just not doing any rolls. So they don't actually show if people have or don't have point in housekeeping in themselves.
I am in the mind though that you could ask for a monthly job roll - success means monetary gains by managing your household well. Failures can mean no monetary gain or even monetary loss or even damage to yourself or your property depending on the severity. Disads lke lazyness can give steep penalties to the monthly job roll - if the dishes remain unwashed often and often due to disad then even having a moderately good skill won't help you at the end of it all. |
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