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10-09-2010, 01:47 AM | #1 |
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Florida
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Thought I understood the Staff/Spear issue, but...
What I thought I knew:
But then I set out to make a kick-butt spear/staff fighter, and I came across something that throws a monkey wrench into the above. Combination Weapons (MA214) seem to offer another possibility using RAW. (Not to mention the “Qian Kun Ri Yue Dao” that has all kinds of non-staffy attack modes) Take a base quarterstaff, add a Spear, and just for fun add a pick at the other end. You wind up with a 5lb (better for parrying), $90 weapon that can do Sw+2cr, Sw+1Imp, Thr+2cr or Thr+3Imp all at (unmodified) staff skill, plus it can Hook. The downside is that it can’t be thrown and has +1ST requirement, plus it seems that it would be ineligible for the Fine (Balance) mod. In this case Spear skill and Form Mastery is only needed if you want to use the spear 1-handed. Am I missing something? Has there been discussion or clarification on this? Also note that you could do this with a Jo Staff (or even a Yagyuzue or Short Spear) and make a lighter (and shorter reach) weapon… ------------------------------ Another issue is with “Weapons of Quality” (MA216) and Fine (Balanced) option. Does it apply to spears? What about the combo-weapons presented above? And what happens to the +1 balance when wielded with Staff skill? Does it lose the bonus, or is a spear able to be better balanced as a staff than a staff is?!? |
10-09-2010, 02:09 AM | #2 |
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Yucca Valley, CA
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Re: Thought I understood the Staff/Spear issue, but...
I think you're correct on all counts except that form mastery allows one switch per turn. -GEF
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10-09-2010, 02:22 AM | #3 | |
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Florida
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Re: Thought I understood the Staff/Spear issue, but...
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---------- But the point I'm trying to make is that using combo weapons by RAW, you can stab with the spear portion of a combo staff/spear at full STAFF skill, not staff-2. |
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10-09-2010, 02:56 AM | #4 |
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Göttingen, Germany
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Re: Thought I understood the Staff/Spear issue, but...
I don't really see why...? I'd say for no penalties you still have to use the spear-skill... after all due to the spearhead and the needed thrusting attack the weapon is IMHO more like a spear than a plain staff, though it has a different balance (but it also has a different balance and handling than a normal quarterstaff)
Last edited by OldSam; 10-09-2010 at 03:00 AM. |
10-09-2010, 03:07 AM | #5 | |
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Florida
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Re: Thought I understood the Staff/Spear issue, but...
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Yes, this is a departure from other examples of using a spear as a staff, but the above is RAW as per Martial Arts (pg.214). |
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10-09-2010, 04:40 AM | #6 | |
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Göttingen, Germany
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Re: Thought I understood the Staff/Spear issue, but...
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Thus IMHO it's rather a spear with a pick at the end, than a quarterstaff with a spearhead and a pick. But that's just my interpretation of course... ;) Last edited by OldSam; 10-09-2010 at 04:44 AM. |
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combination weapons, spear, staff |
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