05-04-2016, 10:11 PM | #1 |
World's Worst Detective
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Columbus, Ohio
|
Does Lifting ST Allow Me to Wield Heavier Weapons While Doing ST Damage?
It's short.
Let's say I'm pretty weak overall. I have ST 8. But I have Lifting ST +5. ST 8 wouldn't be enough for a broadsword, but ST 8+5 would! So, can I lift and wield a broadsword as if I had ST 8+5 while only doing ST 8 damage? I think someone once said in a magical faraway land that Striking ST was the proper way to do this (so I would just do Arm ST for my purposes), but that would mean that I would be striking with ST 8+5. Birdpeople wing-arms are strong because they have to generate enough lift to get a 5' person off of the ground. But I would figure that flying strength doesn't convert into strength when stabbing people. Maybe I'm wrong about that. Thanks!
__________________
Raekai's links: My blog about conlanging, GURPS, and other stuff! — Using Knowing Your Own Strength with Conditional Injury Simulating multiple attacks Wildcard Power Pool: a flexible magic/powers system Magic to RPM complete conversion v2 (incomplete) Perussinexian Magic 2 (outdated) |
05-04-2016, 10:20 PM | #2 |
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Ellicott City, MD
|
Re: Does Lifting ST Allow Me to Wield Heavier Weapons While Doing ST Damage?
The answer is, as far as I can tell, yes.
|
05-04-2016, 10:22 PM | #3 |
formerly known as 'Kenneth Latrans'
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Wyoming, Michigan
|
Re: Does Lifting ST Allow Me to Wield Heavier Weapons While Doing ST Damage?
Striking ST determines whether you qualify for the minimum ST score the weapon requires to wield.
However, there are some rules for parrying weapons that come into play if your Striking ST is big enough to let you use huge weapons that won't break against weapons of opponents which weigh more than your own BL; they just knock your weapon aside as you lack the follow-through to back up a parry with that oversized weapon you're swinging around. Oh, and an optional rule lots of people love is to apply Lifting ST instead of Striking ST for the minimum strength requirement of bows and crossbows.
__________________
Ba-weep granah wheep minibon. Wubba lubba dub dub. |
05-04-2016, 10:32 PM | #4 |
Join Date: Mar 2013
|
Re: Does Lifting ST Allow Me to Wield Heavier Weapons While Doing ST Damage?
OP, I asked this exact question a while back and was advised that Striking ST is canon for purposes of determining min ST to wield a weapon but that using Lifting ST instead would make a good house rule.
edit OP, this is the original thread, should be useful: http://forums.sjgames.com/showthread.php?t=127534 Last edited by mr beer; 05-04-2016 at 10:36 PM. |
05-05-2016, 01:15 AM | #5 | |
GURPS FAQ Keeper
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Kyïv, Ukraine
|
Re: Does Lifting ST Allow Me to Wield Heavier Weapons While Doing ST Damage?
Answer from the uFAQ:
Quote:
|
|
05-05-2016, 01:19 AM | #6 |
Join Date: Nov 2004
|
Re: Does Lifting ST Allow Me to Wield Heavier Weapons While Doing ST Damage?
I would be more inclined to give wing-arms Striking ST anyway. Birds can deliver a hell of a wallop with those things.
|
05-05-2016, 08:50 AM | #7 |
Hero of Democracy
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: far from the ocean
|
Re: Does Lifting ST Allow Me to Wield Heavier Weapons While Doing ST Damage?
arguably, a bird 'punches' with its feet and 'kicks' with its wings -- which of those carry it around everywhere and which are used for grabbing things?
__________________
Be helpful, not pedantic Worlds Beyond Earth -- my blog Check out the PbP forum! If you don't see a game you'd like, ask me about making one! |
05-05-2016, 10:28 AM | #8 |
Join Date: Nov 2004
|
Re: Does Lifting ST Allow Me to Wield Heavier Weapons While Doing ST Damage?
Since the OP specified that the bird-people under discussion are using weapons with their wings, that's not terribly relevant. The question under discussion is whether the type of strength needed to flap wings and fly translates to hitting things. I argue that it does.
|
05-05-2016, 11:52 AM | #9 |
World's Worst Detective
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Columbus, Ohio
|
Re: Does Lifting ST Allow Me to Wield Heavier Weapons While Doing ST Damage?
Y'all are as great as ever. Thank you so much.
I totally missed the uFAQ, but that seems like the most official answer. I'll just go with Arm ST, I think. This will be interesting because birdpeople are rather fragile, but this allows them to still be heavy hitters when they aren't flying. Interesting trade-off and maybe more appealing to players to take as a template. That makes sense, I guess. But these birdpeople are more like the batpeople from Bio-Tech. They have extra fingers which allow them to have "hands" on their wings. They're genetic modifications of humans engineered by a god/highly-advanced-alien.
__________________
Raekai's links: My blog about conlanging, GURPS, and other stuff! — Using Knowing Your Own Strength with Conditional Injury Simulating multiple attacks Wildcard Power Pool: a flexible magic/powers system Magic to RPM complete conversion v2 (incomplete) Perussinexian Magic 2 (outdated) |
05-05-2016, 01:57 PM | #10 |
Join Date: Aug 2004
|
Re: Does Lifting ST Allow Me to Wield Heavier Weapons While Doing ST Damage?
I would give wings "Arm ST" and label it Wing ST, rather than giving the whole flyer Lifting ST or Striking ST. Flying creatures are different enough in construction to warrant relaxing any limits on max Arm ST humans might have.
Also, if you give them lifting ST with an eye toward helping them fly, you also help them carry or drag stuff while walking, and for most fliers, that is a little absurd. If these bird-people have usable hands on their wings, I see no reason why they couldnt deliver powerful blows with weapons in those hands. If for some reason you think that is no good, you could break out Arm ST into Lifting Arm ST and Striking Arm ST... but I dont know that it would be worth it.
__________________
My GURPS stuff |
Tags |
lifting strength, minimum strength, strength |
|
|