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Re: [SE] "Your child is a sociopath? Fear not, we will take care of this!"
Yes, there's always new neurons going on in an adult. This is VERY different from the radical, highly accelerated growth and pruning going on in children. Adults keep growing new skin, muscle, and bone cells their entire lives too, but they don't grow three feet taller unless something's gone wrong - children do grow three feet or more, as part of their development into adults. Same thing happens in the brain.
From about age 0 to age 18 months, lack of empathy is considered entirely normal in humans, and the presence of empathy would be considered very odd. Empathy emerges in its most crude form in the 18 mos to 3 years period - generally around-ish the 2 years mark but the neurological development from child to child always follows an individual schedule. There's further development and refinement of empathy over the next decade or so of the childs life, but all of that is useless unless the foundation of empathy is present. Yes, not having an arm is unusual and not a developmental problem - but we aren't talking about arms. Babies are equipped with arms well before leaving the womb. Babies are NOT equipped with things like physical strength, the ability to focus on a moving object, manual dexterity, patience, bladder continence, the ability to walk, or empathy. They have to work on all of these things as or after the required neural, muscular, skeletal, and nervous systems develop. Humans are more-or-less born a year or two premature, because otherwise we would never fit through our mothers pevis. Or more accurately, some developmental tasks are prioritized way before others because of the need to exit the womb before the head gets too big - you don't need empathy or the ability to walk nearly as much as you need the ability to breathe, digest food, and attract sympathetic care givers.
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11-08-2011, 11:29 AM | #12 |
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Re: [SE] "Your child is a sociopath? Fear not, we will take care of this!"
Again, if when one writes, "child" they mean infant or toddler, then ignore what I write. Because when I write, "child" I mean five to around thirteen.
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11-08-2011, 11:31 AM | #13 |
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Re: [SE] "Your child is a sociopath? Fear not, we will take care of this!"
Whether or not this is true at TL8 is irrelevant. The Justicariate is TL9 in social technologies (and some others), and partially relies on the aid of a rather unique entity for diagnosis. Even if children cannot already have certain conditions developed at certain ages, it is still possible to predict such development with TL9 social advancements.
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11-08-2011, 01:12 PM | #14 | |
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My point was that it may be very difficult to properly diagnose whether a pre-teen or teenager (who, even if healthy, has a significantly underdeveloped pre-frontal cortex and limited empathy) has full-blown sociopathy or simply, as you say, a "weak mental aspect". Furthermore, various environmental factors can slow the development of these traits even more. Particularly drug use and trauma (both of which are common in teenagers who grow up to be sociopaths and many who don't.)
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Your concept is interesting, I especially like the idea of brainwashing them to follow a code of behavior regardless of any internal moral compass. To address your original question about how much of a drain on the state this would be: maybe less than you'd think. The more dangerous/less intelligent sociopaths and future sociopaths already require more state resources. (Institutions, alternative schools, etc...) The intelligent sociopaths tend to avoid detection. I used to work in an alternative school for "at-risk youth", several of our clients were potential sociopaths, our goal was much as you describe: teach them to behave morally and legally, even if it would never come naturally to them. This is for their own good: we wanted them to have jobs and pleasant lives. I currently work part-time at a house for people who are on conditional release from institutions after being declared "Not Guilty by reason of mental illness or defect." Some of my clients have been sociopaths. It is cheaper to hire people like me and pay their rent in a house than it is to keep treating them in institutions or prisons. If your program results in significantly fewer adult criminals in the prisons, it will have paid for itself.
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Psychopaths would make terrible super-soldiers, as they lack impulse control, and lacking any sense of loyalty to the mission, would be easily corruptible. Since psychopaths lack a normal response to punishment, they would be a nightmare to train, and would be essentially impossible to impose discipline on. Sociopathic personality disorder currently includes what used to be called psychopaths as well as other individuals who would qualify. However, there is a body of research on psychopaths that distinguishes the ways in which they differ from other sociopaths. There are often distinct phenotypes within disorders; over time, this distinctions wax and wane according to advances in research. |
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11-08-2011, 06:33 PM | #18 | |
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(The suggestion by another poster than this has something to do with fear of labelling is completely off-base; "conduct disorder" is as much a label as "antisocial personality disorder" is.) |
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11-08-2011, 06:41 PM | #19 |
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There are lots of things in all fields of knowledge where the reality revealed by study doesn't match the typical layman's intuition
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