10-16-2020, 11:32 AM | #31 | |
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Re: Fanaticism and Sense of Duty
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For example, Captain America is informed at the start of (the comic book) Civil War that the American government expects him to support the super registration bill and go around and arrest any supers or vigilante crime fighters who don't register, including supers who just aren't inclined to play cops and robbers and don't want to be drafted into being a superhero. He flips them the bird, goes on the run and gathers resistors to the registration act and things escalate into a war with thousands of supers fighting. OK. Fine. Fanatic devotion to American ideals. Except. When we look at how that event ended, things stop when Cap looks at the collateral damage from the conflict, and decided that his cause isn't worth it and surrenders. Sense of Duty to Americans trumps his belief that civil liberties are being violated. Fanatics don't do that. They double down because their cause is more important than any other consideration. What you want all the death and destruction to be for nothing? It's the other guy's fault for failing to see how right I am! Last edited by David Johnston2; 10-16-2020 at 11:39 AM. |
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10-16-2020, 01:04 PM | #32 |
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Re: Fanaticism and Sense of Duty
I never liked Patrick Henry much but any soldier says give me whatever or give me death. Heck the crew in Sea Patrol are saying, "Give Australia unpoached fisheries or give us death" but that is hardly fanaticism.
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10-16-2020, 01:06 PM | #33 | |
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Or a short hand is that a Fanatic never answers the question, "And then what?"
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10-16-2020, 06:32 PM | #34 |
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Re: Fanaticism and Sense of Duty
All this being said, is there a single reason you can think of for the game to have both Fanatic and Obsession?
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10-16-2020, 08:12 PM | #35 |
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Re: Fanaticism and Sense of Duty
Well, there are two differences. An Obsession is not or typically something you want to bring about for the entire world; it's something you want to attain in your own life. And an Obsession CAN be attained in a finite time, whereas Fanaticism implies an open-ended pattern of behavior.
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10-16-2020, 10:23 PM | #36 | |
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Re: Fanaticism and Sense of Duty
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I'm glad for the breakdown on the differences (which contradict what I said!). Fantaticism (Liberty) perfectly explains why he is so much against the unconstitutional Sokovia Accords that he was willing to shatter the Avengers over it. |
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10-17-2020, 12:26 AM | #37 | |
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Re: Fanaticism and Sense of Duty
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Fanaticism is closer to Code of Honor (in fact, it subsumes Code of Honor in some cases) whereas Obsession is closer to Greed, and this is reflected in the way the disadvantages are built. |
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10-17-2020, 12:57 AM | #38 | |
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"Remove the terror" is probably the easiest Obsession to understand (IRL I personally knew people who had it for getting their lives to a point where they never had to feel hunger again and later replaced it with Gluttony). Past that, the next likely one is "Be good enough", wherever that line is put, to the point that it is the primary directive of your life. This can easily be mistaken for other disads; Obsession: Very Wealthy may come across as Miserly or Greed, Obsession: Kill Dr. Doom could be seen as Fanaticism. Also, I can easily see a character having both Fanaticism and Obsession. It could even be related; Using that example, someone is fanatic about Centrum while also obsesses about becoming their leader and the Obsession might be rooted in the Fanaticism. |
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10-17-2020, 08:41 AM | #39 | |
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Re: Fanaticism and Sense of Duty
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The whole Winter Soldier arc is about SOD (Friends) and nothing about Fanticism(nebulous concept). Anyone who was going to take Fantacism (Liberty) would have to explain to me in detail what they thought that meant. I don't have an adequate defintion handy.
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10-17-2020, 10:30 AM | #40 | |
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Re: Fanaticism and Sense of Duty
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If it's fanaticism of the nation (which I don't think it is) then you can say "My County Right or Wrong!" However, if (like me) you view it as fanaticism of the America's Founding Ideology, then if your countries leaders are doing 'bad things' that are not in line with the ideology, you'd be 'forced' to call them out. Captain America stands for (as they said of Superman) Truth, Justice & the American Way. |
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