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Old 01-06-2018, 08:23 PM   #231
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Regarding the present and future of online resources, I'd venture that the SJ Games Online Policy now applies to TFT as well. I did a quick review and tweak to our Facebook TFT Group last week to make certain we had no infringing material, and that a notice/disclaimer was in place.
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Old 01-06-2018, 09:15 PM   #232
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I'll toss in another couple of unasked for pieces of advice.

Meaningful characters make stories. Compelling stories sell fictional settings. The other crucial thing to sell RPGs in fictional settings is a really good game system synergistic with said setting. You already have that last thing. So, this time around, try to infuse Cidri with compelling narratives.

Plus also: You already have a game line that is a toolbox (GURPS). So TFT, being single-genre, is setting-centric.

So... I'd tap somebody like Corey Doctorow, Ken Hite, or some other talented writer willing to crank out some classic Fantasy and weave some powerful narrative IP around Cidri. That would give the product line real legs. Budget constraints of course, dictate feasibility. But do you want to resurrect TFT for a short game or a long one?
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Old 01-07-2018, 12:30 AM   #233
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Regarding the present and future of online resources, I'd venture that the SJ Games Online Policy now applies to TFT as well. I did a quick review and tweak to our Facebook TFT Group last week to make certain we had no infringing material, and that a notice/disclaimer was in place.
Thank you for that link! I was unaware there even WAS a policy (because I don't personally publish fan stuff), but now I am properly informed. I imagine there are still questions regarding details, but that at least provides an easily understood basis for future reference! Much appreciated.
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Old 01-07-2018, 12:39 AM   #234
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I'll toss in another couple of unasked for pieces of advice.

Meaningful characters make stories. Compelling stories sell fictional settings. The other crucial thing to sell RPGs in fictional settings is a really good game system synergistic with said setting. You already have that last thing. So, this time around, try to infuse Cidri with compelling narratives.

Plus also: You already have a game line that is a toolbox (GURPS). So TFT, being single-genre, is setting-centric.

So... I'd tap somebody like Corey Doctorow, Ken Hite, or some other talented writer willing to crank out some classic Fantasy and weave some powerful narrative IP around Cidri. That would give the product line real legs. Budget constraints of course, dictate feasibility. But do you want to resurrect TFT for a short game or a long one?
THIS! The game system has held up extremely well overall for forty years, even without the attention of the actual designer (which makes it pretty darn robust, in my mind); so the foundation is well in place. And TFT is clearly a niche product compared with GURPS. Superior and compelling narrative for the game would be the piece that really would make TFT beyond exceptional, and which all the myriad GURPS setting books soundly prove to be an area of real expertise for SJG.
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Old 01-07-2018, 01:14 AM   #235
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Plus also: You already have a game line that is a toolbox (GURPS). So TFT, being single-genre, is setting-centric.
I think this is an important statement to consider. I see no compelling reason to use TFT as the basis of a science fiction, western or any other type of game. GURPS is already a very nice multi genre toolbox, I don't think TFT needs to be that as well. I believe this is what will separate the two games on the store shelves.

Please Keep TFT grounded in fantasy.
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Old 01-07-2018, 04:49 AM   #236
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But it's so easy to do, with a great basis like TFT! A few new weapons, a few different talents... Describe the local village as being arranged along a main street, with boardwalks and a few tumbleweeds blowing around as a brisk wind kicks up the dust in the street and tries to take the PC's hats off, and suddenly you're in the middle of a John Wayne western!

No? Okay, I guess you're right, darn it. ;-)

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Old 01-07-2018, 05:33 AM   #237
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I think this is an important statement to consider. I see no compelling reason to use TFT as the basis of a science fiction, western or any other type of game. GURPS is already a very nice multi genre toolbox, I don't think TFT needs to be that as well. I believe this is what will separate the two games on the store shelves.

Please Keep TFT grounded in fantasy.
GURPS is of absolutely no use to me and those like me who want a fairly simple ruleset. I've used the bones of TFT for Sci-Fi and Modern day stuff and it works well with a few adaptions. I'm sure we can expect to see something of that sort in the future, just like Dark City games did with their rules, so don't rule it out.
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Old 01-07-2018, 06:00 AM   #238
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Back in the late '70s my expectations were that I'd someday see... The Space Trip: In the Starship...? Forty years later I'd love to see it (and more importantly, fork over my hard earned cash!) as part of the reboot.

The nuts and bolts of this are I expect to see TFT as a Kickstarter. I'm VERY picking about Kickstarters, but if this KS were to include reprints of the original Micros, along with a hardback or boxed set of TFT, and with stretch goals of: dungeon tiles, outdoor tiles, MicroQuest map tiles, heavy cardstock counters or stand-ups, a bestiary, Tollenkar's Lair, a Cidri campaign book, a Space Trip rulebook, and a Western rulebook, I'd be in for $150 or $200.
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Old 01-07-2018, 09:06 AM   #239
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Here here. Joe, in particular, has done more to keep TFT alive than anyone. The brainiac TFT list was TFT Central in the early interwebs days. And I think that Joe, Brett, David, the Maverick, etc., should get some kind of shoutout in the rules.
I just happened to have a T1 connection and a server in 1998, and an interest in a relatively obscure set of games. The list will be 20 years old this June!

It's been the great people over the years that have kept the interest alive and the conversation going. And now, here we are!
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Old 01-07-2018, 09:35 AM   #240
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I just happened to have a T1 connection and a server in 1998, and an interest in a relatively obscure set of games. The list will be 20 years old this June!

It's been the great people over the years that have kept the interest alive and the conversation going. And now, here we are!
Hey Joe. Has it really been 20 years? Man, we’re getting old. And grumpy. I just had to tell a bunch of Pathfinder players to get off my lawn.
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