12-13-2015, 09:19 PM | #1 |
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Velocity of incoming attack?
This was probably discussed to death years ago, but why isn't it harder to dodge a bullet than a punch? I get that imposing a -19 penalty to dodge a bullet is basically the same as not allowing a dodge and as a result not very fun but surely there ought to be some difference.
Just something that's been bothering me lately since we've move from our DF game into a monster hunter one and bullet ballet is becoming a thing. |
12-13-2015, 09:35 PM | #2 | |
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12-13-2015, 09:36 PM | #3 | |
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12-13-2015, 09:44 PM | #4 |
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Re: Velocity of incoming attack?
This has actually been debated and there is wide agreement that is not realistic.
Then you can choose if you are fine with a more cinematic/schematic/whatever approach, or if you want to improve realism with optional/home rules. |
12-13-2015, 09:52 PM | #5 | |
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I think part of problem here is that when most people hear the word dodging they're thinking of something along the lines of a boxer juking out of the way of a punch. In GURPS you're only dodging like that if you do a dodge and step, acrobatic dodge or a dodge and drop, otherwise it's just you basically flinching at just the right moment to be a hard target to line up with.
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12-13-2015, 10:19 PM | #6 | |
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My blog has a few related articles on Dodge This, including my own review of my article (recursive, I know), as well as Jake B.'s play report. But the feel of the rules is what I think the OP was referring to, and they can rip suspension of disbelief right off the table. I wrote the article with that in mind.
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12-14-2015, 09:49 AM | #7 |
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Re: Velocity of incoming attack?
There's super-realistic and then there's what gamers who don't hack rules on forums are willing to tolerate at the table. :) If I were simply Making Stuff Up without a single thought to complexity (as for a computer game), I'd probably do something like this:
Active defenses could affect melee (striking or grappling) attacks and thrown weapons only. All would benefit from shield Defense Bonus (DB) in some way. There would be three choices:Hack and tinker to taste.Blocks would be stops attempted with bare hands, weapons, shields, etc. They would get a bonus for the size of whatever you're blocking with – larger than current shield DB (maybe DB+2) for shields, and equal to something like maximum Reach+1 for fists, weapons, etc. If successful, the attack would hit and damage whatever you blocked with: your forearm (which might be protected by armor DR), blade, buckler, etc. Obviously, weapon and shield tables would need to show plausible DR, HP, and HT scores!Successive blocks or parries with the same hand would incur a cumulative penalty (for the sake of argument, -4), but would not affect defenses with other hands or dodges. Successive dodges would incur such a cumulative penalty as well (same -4), and would add a smaller cumulative penalty (say, -1) to all future blocks and parries.
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12-14-2015, 10:11 AM | #8 |
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Re: Velocity of incoming attack?
The word "dodge" is overloaded. It can mean tracking one specific object and getting out of its way. It can also mean general movement intended to be evasive without regard to any specific threat, as in "dodging about". If you're running "serpentine", you're "dodging" if someone shoots at you.
Clearly, there are things you can do to be harder to hit than if you're just standing still or running normally. The GURPS assumption is that people are always moving in combat, even if they're not changing hexes or position (Crouch, Prone, etc) on the tactical map. You're not just standing still until your turn, when you suddenly spring into action. Thus, you rate some sort of defense even without doing anything specific. That's "Dodge". The error may be as much in calling that an "Active Defense" as it is in calling it "Dodge", as it implies that it's something extra special that you do in reaction to a specific event (which is only one sense of "dodge"). Since 3e did away with the term "Passive Defense", you could perhaps repurpose that term for "Dodge". |
12-14-2015, 10:20 AM | #9 | |
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12-17-2015, 09:08 PM | #10 |
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Re: Velocity of incoming attack?
Thanks, Kromm!
Hmm having said that now I want to go pillage something. |
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