06-28-2018, 09:55 AM | #1 |
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[Social Engineering] Feudal Rank and Privilege Advantages
Does a high ranking noble needs to buy privilege advantages such as legal enforcement powers, legal Immunity and Claim to Hospitality or it is all covered by the Feudal Rank?
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06-28-2018, 10:14 AM | #2 | |
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Re: [Social Engineering] Feudal Rank and Privilege Advantages
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Legal Enforcement Powers probably applies to actual land-holding lords, those who have the right to administer justice not just on their own peasants, but also on people passing through (and in some feudal systems, "justice" was a separate right from landholding specifically - a lord could have the "right of justice" over, for instance, a stretch of road or a town that he otherwise had no other specific rights to). Legal Immunity is pretty common as well - a lord who went into a free city (that is, one that held its charter under the overall ruler directly, rather than one lower in the feudal hierarchy), for instance, and committed a crime there, would almost certainly be impossible to charge with the city's standard courts - they'd have to appeal to the monarch. Claim to Hospitality, on the other hand, is probably not necessary, at least if you're staying with other nobles. The exception here would be if you're travelling internationally a lot, and thus technically staying with nobles who aren't in your Feudal Rank structure. Then Claim to Hospitality is probably justified. |
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06-28-2018, 11:19 AM | #3 | |
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Not quite. Feudal rank also includes status. In social engineering, it lists a number of benefits for status. One of them is that "A high status individual may approach others as if they were members of a Contact Group". It then goes on to specifically call out having the courts or police overlook a minor offense as a possibility. I think the emphasis here is "Minor". Good luck getting justice for him riding his horse through your field or striking you in anger. But if he kills, there will be an inquiry. I'm not 100% sure what this means for the question asked, because depending on the period, he may have the soft favor of the law, or he might be above it.
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06-28-2018, 11:44 AM | #4 | |
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06-28-2018, 02:04 PM | #5 | |
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It really depends on a lot of factors. A Percy might have Legal Immunity even in London. Does that really mean Joe Schmo Baron of the Three Pigsties will?
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06-29-2018, 05:59 AM | #6 |
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Re: [Social Engineering] Feudal Rank and Privilege Advantages
My goal is to create realistic social templates for historical 1220 Europe.
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06-29-2018, 06:20 AM | #7 |
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Re: [Social Engineering] Feudal Rank and Privilege Advantages
The simple answer, sadly useless to the OP, is that whatever you decide, you can likely find historical example both for and against somewhere and sometime in medieval Europe. there are simply too much local variation.
As a GM, this is how I would handle it gamewise : First case : Social advantage are not the focus of the game, just background rarely relevant: just buy feodal rank for simplicity. Second case : Social advantage will be relevant in game : A) Is it possible for a character to have feodal rank and not have legal enforcement powers, legal Immunity and Claim to Hospitality (each with an accessibility : only against lower rank) ? B) Is it possible for a character to have legal enforcement powers, legal Immunity or Claim to Hospitality and not have feodal rank ? If both answer are "no", just include them into rank. If A is possible, they should be separate purchase, and the cost of feodal rank should likely be adjusted down. If B is possible but not A, for simplicity, just include them into rank. You may need to increase the cost of rank to match having the 3 highest level advantages at rank 8 or whatever is max rank in your game. Hope this help... Last edited by Celjabba; 06-29-2018 at 06:26 AM. |
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