08-03-2019, 02:58 PM | #4271 |
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Re: New Reality Seeds
Ah, right. Referring to him as George V when he was never king, and is the individual who in Homeline history became George VI is what caused the confusion.
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08-03-2019, 03:16 PM | #4272 |
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George V is Edward VIII's father, and is the one who appears to have died early (OTL George V died in 1936), if I'm understanding the post correctly. I don't think Astromancer has said whether Edward's brother died.
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08-03-2019, 03:46 PM | #4273 |
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: West Virginia
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Right. It was "George VI"'s wife and children who died. Basically, this alternate Edward is a monster.
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08-03-2019, 05:13 PM | #4274 | |
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Might also be a good opportunity for some live fire tests of your antisubmarine warfare equipment on targets nobody will object much to you killing.
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08-03-2019, 05:21 PM | #4275 |
Join Date: Jun 2017
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I like this. A Fascist UK replacing Germany would be interesting. A couple thoughts.
Instead of annexing Austria and the Sudetenland, I see the UK annexing Ireland to the complaints of other nations. A fascist UK would have the advantage that when trying to rearm in the 30's, it would not have to worry about violating the Treaty of Versailles. Like Japan, it would have to worry about the Treaty of Washington when trying to create a super-navy, and like Japan I can see the British using different measures to skirt that treaty until declaring it void. Italy is screwed. Once war breaks out the Red Army, Werhmacht, and French will be pointed at Rome. It might be harder for the allies to convince the US to get involved. Ties between the UK and the US were important in our WWII, in this setting it might be hard to convince the US to help Communist Germany and Russia. I see Britain having a smaller army than the Nazis did, but a massive RAF and large fleet of carriers. Strategic bombing will be important, because it will be hard for the British to invade continental Europe, and even harder for the continental powers to invade the UK. Edit: in case it's not clear, I was talking about Simpson from Astromancer. |
08-03-2019, 06:14 PM | #4276 | |
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It isn't something most people think of but the end of WWI left a nasty taste in many American mouths. We disliked the Germans but the French and British both acted like they accused the Germans of acting. Or it seemed that way to most Americans. And both the British and French Empires grew by vast amounts after the war. And both Britain and France told America that asking for payment of War Debts was vulgar. France also announced America was going to pay to rebuild France without consulting America before the announcement. We were sour on Britain, France, and Germany. Now in Homeline history both Britain and France recovered their good reputation with the American people. In this world it's France and Germany that regain their good names. Britain going fascist disgusts America and terrifies Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. And well they should be scared. A fascist Britain would be deadlier than Nazi Germany for many reasons.
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08-03-2019, 07:22 PM | #4277 |
Join Date: Dec 2017
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In this latest timeline, Britain and Japan are both naval power, but I'd expect racism on both sides to slow down cooperation. Once hostilities start, there's a lot of distance between the two of them, too.
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08-03-2019, 07:38 PM | #4278 | |
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I would worry in this timeline is that the UK wouldn't have a large enough land force to occupy the continent. This could lead to a similar environment to the Napoleonic wars where both sides were at a stalemate. |
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08-03-2019, 08:35 PM | #4279 | |
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First, Edward VIII can't do that much, no matter how unscrupulous and cunning he is. He reigns but he doesn't rule. Second, without the German Nazis being in power, the BUF (British Union of Fascists) does not have them to emulate, so they don't adopt Nazi views (and don't have a break-up that results in a British Nazi party alongside the BUF). Third, Canada, Australia and New Zealand don't need to declare independence. They've been de facto independent since signing the Treaty of Versailles in 1919. Fourth, and the biggest problem with getting WWII out of this, the BUF isn't looking for territorial expansion. Being protectionist, they're far more likely to get rid of their colonies and dominion alliances to keep "non-UK" subjects out of the UK, helping to alleviate the unemployment problem. Fifth, having just gotten the Irish problem solved (for a time), they are highly unlikely to annex the Dominion of Erie, especially as it might allow all those poverty-stricken Irish into the rest of the UK. Sixth, the BUF is unlikely to horrify Canada. Given the high proportion of woman suffragettes in the party, it may well result in a Canadian version of the party and since Canada doesn't have an entrenched House of Lords, the proposal for the Senate to be composed of 'notables' is going to be less controversial, as long as Quebec doesn't lose its representation. Seventh, there will likely be a political tussle in the UK over replacing the House of Lords with a Senate. Replacing the Cabinet with a five-ministers-without-portfolio War Cabinet is going to be a difficult sell as well. It's going to be an especially hard sell in federal states like Canada, Australia and South Africa. Australia and New Zealand aren't particularly likely to fear Japan as long as the UK remains in the far east with a reasonable sized navy. If the UK starts withdrawing, then things change in a hurry. But there is a possibility that Australia and New Zealand might ally with Japan rather than opposing it. A more interesting set of problems will be who allies with who during the Spanish Civil War and does the UK feel any need to pull Mussolini's chestnuts out of the fire in Africa. |
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08-03-2019, 08:49 PM | #4280 |
Join Date: Sep 2011
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Edward VIII succeeds George V. His brother George VI's line was extinguished circa 1930. The Commonwealth Realm splits up. Prince Henry becomes King Henry IX of Australia and New Zealand. George, Duke of Kent becomes King George VI of the Union of South Africa and Princess Mary becomes Queen Mary III of Canada. The family presents a mostly united front to the rest of the world but there are tensions and Edward VIII is hard put to keep a "first-among-equals" position. |
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