Ogrezine article Defend the Negev issue

[RedLeif508]

Hi,
Loved the latest Ogrezine article/scenario by Mr Barker... Just noticed a little error I think:

"3.03.02 Hills. Use all Swamp rules in a hex with hills including bonuses
and penalties for each type you unit."
should this read ...each type of unit.

I don't know exactly what the author intended but thought i'd alert you all for another proof read.

thanks again for the article.

PS the picture on page 2 is awesome.

[Mack_JB]

I love the scenario as well.

I downloaded the PDF, and upon opening it, it has several formatting errors, like fonts being mixed, etc. Also, the "hill" image for the above rule clarification disappears when downloaded.

I'm going to say one of the Jordanian Royal Marines is the great-great-great grandson of Auda Abu Tayi.

Font problems occur in rules 2.02 and 3.06.

[ColBosch]

I have the very serious problem that it says Israel fielded no Ogres, when we canonically have the Golem cybertank. I always have an issue when an author feels the need to change decades-old canon based on their own fan theories. Every other Ogrezine piece so far has tried to stay within what SJ Games has published, perhaps expanding it, but not overriding anything previously published.

It doesn't help that I remember the author's arguments about Jews and Muslims - or, at least, Israel and the Caliphate - not accepting the existence of cybertanks, and I found them to be absolute rubbish. As I said before, religion is important to humanity, but no-one has ever turned down a new weapon. State actors very rarely follow the precepts of their nominal religion.

Furthermore, I'm baffled by the idea of the Israeli Empire and Vatican providing support for each other. The Vatican has all the nations of Europe at least theoretically aligned with it; why would they turn to Israel? What kind of covert ops would require the Pope to turn to deniable assets?

I'm sorry, but this piece gets a hard "not interested" from me without an alternate history disclaimer or a background rewrite.

[wolf90]

Thank you, RedLeif508, for the missed typo. (Grrrr . . . !)

By definition, every article posted in Ogrezine is representative of the author's Ogreverse, and not anything "official" per se. "Defend the Negev!" is not canon, nor is "The Daimyo and the Dragon" (which uses completely unofficial stats for the Ogres), "Cruise Missile Fizzles" (a variant on the rules), nor any other article. This article, as all of them are, should be enjoyed in its own light, and not viewed as anything more than that.

Finally, before this drifts into a religious-political debate, I'm going to make a few comments:
- The forums are like talk at a dinner party; it's always best to avoid politics and religion.
- Making assumptions about states 100+ years in the future based upon current affairs is fraught with folly. 75 years ago Japan and Germany were our mortal enemies; they're now two of our strongest partners.
- It is a game.

Don't make me close this thread, please.

D.

[ColBosch]

Okay, Drew. I'll settle down. But I'll note, for the record, that I'm feeling so salty that I'm finishing up my Golem conversion right now. :D

[Mallen the dark]

Originally Posted by wolf90

Thank you, RedLeif508, for the missed typo. (Grrrr . . . !)

By definition, every article posted in Ogrezine is representative of the author's Ogreverse, and not anything "official" per se.

I did not realize that. Is this also true of Space Gamer articles? I love the "Lone GEV" article about the Lone GEV and his friend, the ninja.

Just for clearity, dose this means ONLY rules books are "cannon"?

[TheAmishStig]

Originally Posted by Mallen the dark

I did not realize that. Is this also true of Space Gamer articles? I love the "Lone GEV" article about the Lone GEV and his friend, the ninja.

Just for clearity, dose this means ONLY rules books are "cannon"?

I'll let someone capable of speaking officially give the authoritative answer...but the safe assumption is "usually". There are a couple places I can think of where the lines are pretty blurry. Such as:

- There's some stuff in GURPS Ogre that has been retconned [the Mk.VII was reduced from 'a few were made' to 'didn't get off the drawing board'], and numbers like weights from that book should be taken with a grain of salt because the author did what he could with the tools he had.

- Iron Mountain started life as a fan write-in article, but has since become an officially-published map [Mat M2], and the "special" units for that scenario, the Light Howitzer and Armored Truck (a Light Howitzer also exists in Ogre Miniatures, but the Iron Mountain one predates it by some 15 years!) are being officially published in Ogre: Battlefields (2018 edition).

- Ninja Shuriken, an Ogrezine article was by Drew after being hired. Leaves one to wonder if it's non-canon because it's a 'Zine article, or canon because it was written by the Line Editor.

- Likewise, Nightfall started life as a Sponsored Counter Sheet (non-canon), but is being finished by SJGames.

[wolf90]

Obviously, there is a fuzzy area where non-canon ideas eventually become canon. Much of the GURPS material fits this area. And "The Lone GEV" does as well. Steve's introduction essentially says as much, noting that it was not a part of the Ogreverse when written, but he'd like to see it become a part going forward.

So yes, the only "official" aspects of the Ogreverse are what is in the rule books or stated as such by Steve et al. Items and concepts may eventually cross over from alternate to official, but expect everything in Ogrezine to be alternate at the time of publication unless specifically stated otherwise.

D.

[ColBosch]

Okay, I started this, and I'm ending it. Do whatever works for your games. I disagree with Izzy, but that's okay. The point is to enjoy the game.

[selenite]

Looks like a fun scenario. I do wonder what happened to Eilat . . .