02-07-2019, 10:05 PM | #11 |
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Re: Low Wealth is free points
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02-07-2019, 10:21 PM | #12 | |
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Re: Low Wealth is free points
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02-07-2019, 10:51 PM | #13 |
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Location: Berkeley, CA
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Re: Low Wealth is free points
Having low starting wealth isn't more than a quirk in a game like DF, so if it has no relevance after character creation, being struggling should be about -1 point, poor -2.
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02-08-2019, 01:02 AM | #14 | |
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And for balance, for High Wealth "You have head down to business! Whatever is YOUR share from adventure's loot - you are multiplying it by x1.5 (Comfortable), x2 (Wealthy), or x2.5 (Very Wealthy). This is "salary" from your little sneaky business with some guy from docks, hush money, or maybe you just can perfectly evaluate which goods/items are CURRENTLY worth much more on the Black Market, than usual." |
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02-08-2019, 01:55 AM | #15 | |
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That said, If it is a problem in your game, making it a quirk or enforcing permanent low wealth are both valid solutions. Although you should then argue the same with most social disads. As long as they don't run you out of town on sight, who care if the merchants or mercenaries won't speak to you ? You just need one character in the party with voice or charisma. Same with being illiterate, ... and in fact mostly anything unrelated to fighting and maybe survival... (Even the strongest party minimaxer will want backup healing or damage, for some reason...) |
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02-08-2019, 06:46 AM | #16 | |
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Another idea to throw into the mix is that you could treat low wealth like low social status. So the innkeeper at the nice inn won't let the riffraff stay with the wealthy character. Sleeping in the stables (or at the skeevy inn by the docks) might cost some FP or cause occasionally embarrassing bedbug bites on their noses. If the wealthy character decides to start slumming it in the stables with his companions, he develops an unsavory reputation among merchants and they stop giving him the good prices. Similarly, when the duke summons the noble knight (or wizard or whatever) to the castle to discuss an upcoming quest, the rest of the party isn't invited. (The duke sees them as mere hirelings.) The reward structure might even be setup so that the wealthy character receives a reward that, from the duke's perspective, is just for him. He's expected to pay his mercenaries from his profits; the implication being that if the party consisted of more than one wealthy character, the total reward would be higher. Again—the idea being that things should be fun—I wouldn't overdo this, but my goal would be to remind the poor PCs every game that they have made a social sacrifice. Their characters are lower class and are treated as such by the world around them. This works best, of course, if the players are bought in. If so, lots of challenges and hilarity can ensue. If they spend every game trying to outsmart the system and arguing that they should be able to overcome their dockside accents and whatnot, then it's time to have an OOC discussion and/or have them buy off the disadvantage. |
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02-08-2019, 10:26 AM | #17 | |
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But really low wealth is only "meaningless" for the other players *because* he opts to be charitable. It's not really any different than say Rapid Healing is "meaningless" because the party includes a cleric who always generously heals you up before it would matter. And you don't mind the cleric doesn't charge them a fee for that do you? Spells cast by other party members are one of the more obvious cases of you benefiting from somebody else's points after all.
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02-08-2019, 12:45 PM | #18 | |
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Granted, it's not been an issue in my games, my Players have treated low Wealth like the pox that is (starting equipment is important to them). |
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02-08-2019, 01:51 PM | #19 | |
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Location: Saint Paul, MN
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Re: Low Wealth is free points
Thanks!
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The importance of starting equipment can, of course, be emphasized by traditionally starting every new DF campaign with a doozy of an adventure that provides lots of danger and no liquid loot. Heh. |
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02-08-2019, 03:36 PM | #20 |
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Berkeley, CA
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Re: Low Wealth is free points
That just encourages buying Poor (-15) and spending 5 points on Extra Money, giving a total starting value of $2,700. Of course, you can make Extra Money scale with wealth level (RAW it doesn't), but that becomes problematic for high wealth levels.
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