[Basic] Disadvantage of the Week: Truthfulness

[Ulzgoroth]

Originally Posted by Flyndaran

I don't get why extreme virtuousness is seen as so "obnoxious" or otherwise ugly/unrealistic. It's like how often Superman gets an edgy reboot or story where his basic morality is just tossed out the window. Or how so many D&D players have stories of despising the paladin class.

Usually because (in both the stereotypical annoying paladin and Michael Cule's cases) you're not only adhering to 'extreme virtuousness' but forcing everyone else to do so as well, or else to actively circumvent you.

It's forcibly injecting a PVP component into the game. And preemptively claiming the moral high ground in the conflict it creates.

Originally Posted by Flyndaran

Refusal to lie isn't exceptionally hard unless you're doing something illegal. Or if you significantly care about causing distress to those that really are just looking for reasons to get upset.
"I'd prefer not to discuss that topic", "None of your business", and "Get out of my face", are valid truthful answers after all.

Depends on whether the person asking you uncomfortable questions actually can be deflected or dismissed. And whether there's an audience that will (more or less correctly) read such dismissal of the question as an admission.

Also, it's very easy for there to be secrets that aren't illegal but are still dangerous to share... And of course the very common case of secrets that are illegal but still best not disclosed.

[Celjabba]

Originally Posted by ericthered

Yes. The correct price for divine curse (must tell truth) is -5, not -10.

There is a serious difference between "must tell truth" and "cannot tell an untruth"

But may i ask how you get to the -5 price ?

[WingedKagouti]

Originally Posted by Flyndaran

I don't get why extreme virtuousness is seen as so "obnoxious" or otherwise ugly/unrealistic. It's like how often Superman gets an edgy reboot or story where his basic morality is just tossed out the window. Or how so many D&D players have stories of despising the paladin class.

Anything taken to an extreme can be obnoxious.

[jason taylor]

Originally Posted by Flyndaran

I don't get why extreme virtuousness is seen as so "obnoxious" or otherwise ugly/unrealistic. It's like how often Superman gets an edgy reboot or story where his basic morality is just tossed out the window. Or how so many D&D players have stories of despising the paladin class.

Refusal to lie isn't exceptionally hard unless you're doing something illegal. Or if you significantly care about causing distress to those that really are just looking for reasons to get upset.
"I'd prefer not to discuss that topic", "None of your business", and "Get out of my face", are valid truthful answers after all.

Because most people don't know what virtuousness is like and when they produce it they come up with self-righteousness which is just another vice. If you saw a really virtuous person you might be afraid of them, or fill shy but "ugly" is not the word you would choose.

The main problem with Superman is not his virtuousness it is his invincibility. To be honest the latest Supergirl came off better to my mind.

[DangerousThing]

Originally Posted by Flyndaran

Refusal to lie isn't exceptionally hard unless you're doing something illegal. Or if you significantly care about causing distress to those that really are just looking for reasons to get upset.
"I'd prefer not to discuss that topic", "None of your business", and "Get out of my face", are valid truthful answers after all.

Let's say that you are trying to break into the Death Star's brig to rescue the princess. You're dressed up as an Imperial Storm Trooper. One of the guards asks you why you're here?

"None of your business," will probably start a fight at a time you don't want to do so.

[David Johnston2]

Originally Posted by DangerousThing

Let's say that you are trying to break into the Death Star's brig to rescue the princess. You're dressed up as an Imperial Storm Trooper. One of the guards asks you why you're here?

"None of your business," will probably start a fight at a time you don't want to do so.

Let the other guy answer.

[Ulzgoroth]

Originally Posted by DangerousThing

Let's say that you are trying to break into the Death Star's brig to rescue the princess. You're dressed up as an Imperial Storm Trooper. One of the guards asks you why you're here?

"None of your business," will probably start a fight at a time you don't want to do so.

To be fair, breaking into the Death Star's brig almost certainly qualifies as illegal.

[jason taylor]

Originally Posted by Ulzgoroth

To be fair, breaking into the Death Star's brig almost certainly qualifies as illegal.

Can I check that with an attorney?

[Ulzgoroth]

Originally Posted by jason taylor

Can I check that with an attorney?

Better check before you get arrested (and/or shot on sight) trying, because the Empire is unlikely to let you contact them after.

Unless you'll be contacting them as a force-ghost.

[dcarson]

Originally Posted by DangerousThing

"None of your business," will probably start a fight at a time you don't want to do so.

Less chance and less violent then "Breaking in to free a prisoner" will. None of you business will at first get you dressed down for insubordination.