05-01-2011, 08:03 AM | #51 |
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Re: [MH] [RPM] Willing Sacrifice & Mind Control
By the way, I just realized that since the sacrifice has to be willing, and understand what he's getting into, duress might not be the best way of obtaining them, mainly because they can go through the motions, and then, at the point of no return, chicken out, as facing death or severe weakening should be a traumatic experience, and can make them flinch away. This might twist the ritual into something slightly different from what the caster intended, justifying the quirked ritual idea you guys have been toying with.
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05-01-2011, 08:20 AM | #52 | |
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Re: [MH] [RPM] Willing Sacrifice & Mind Control
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05-01-2011, 08:39 AM | #53 |
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Re: [MH] [RPM] Willing Sacrifice & Mind Control
It's not technically a take back, it's just that the energy isn't pure, and quirks the ritual.
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05-01-2011, 10:08 AM | #54 | |
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05-01-2011, 04:07 PM | #55 |
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Re: [MH] [RPM] Willing Sacrifice & Mind Control
The process doesn't start for the sacrifice until the second the caster actually goes to touch them and take the energy, though. If the caster takes any time to set up the ritual between getting your promise of cooperation, or touches a few of your peers before you and you see them start to collapse, that's plenty of time to change your mind, and RPK has already stated that magical compulsion of any kind invalidates the 'willing' part of the equation.
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05-01-2011, 04:29 PM | #56 | |
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If the answer is "Yes, <this person> understands. Yes, <this person> agrees." Then <this person> is a willing sacrifice and energy is drawn. If <this person> isn't a willing sacrifice, the caster gets a "nothing happens" and knows <this person> isn't willing. None of the unwilling's energy, intent, will, etc, gets into the spell. The magic only asks itself once. Upon the caster touching the sacrifice and attempting to draw energy. Once the process of drawing energy begins, the magic doesn't keep asking itself. It is too late for <this person> to change their mind unless they refused, and then only if the caster touches and attempts to draw off them again. |
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05-01-2011, 05:18 PM | #57 | |
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Anyway, even if you're 100% correct and it's all or nothing, energy pulled for the desired purpose or complete fizzle, even that has issues for the naughty witches using these techniques. First off, they have to not only threaten the sacrifices with something that will actually make them willing to sacrifice their own lives (and traumatize those who find that their instinct for self-preservation overrides their love of family in some cases), they also have to explain at least in general terms what the ritual is for, because "the person must understand the implications of what they’re doing". That kind of lets out rituals to kill everybody in the world, since such rituals would affect the hostages anyway. And then they have to hope that they read each sacrificial victim properly and none of them fizzle on them, since it doesn't seem from a rereading of the rules that it's legal to interrupt the gathering of energy to make attempts to further persuade them; they're going to need spares. Seems like the 'willing sacrifice rule' is really meant more for the good guys and maybe for Jim Jones-like charismatics, while the 'unwilling sacrifice' rules to be given in MH3 are more relevant to what naughty witches can pull off. |
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05-02-2011, 09:47 AM | #58 | |
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05-03-2011, 05:09 AM | #59 | |
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Sure, your choice, as far as you know. But there could be some forgotten childhood trauma that your mind has adapted to by simply not pursuing certain lines of thought in certain directions. Or something you do remember, but has some unconscious associations. Last edited by jeff_wilson; 05-03-2011 at 05:20 AM. |
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