01-16-2018, 08:36 PM | #11 |
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Re: Volumetric Sight
Part of the problem is I think there are actually a couple different things involved here and you haven't clarified which ones you need.
Start with imagining the volume is a few inches around your head. This is pretty clearly just 360 Vision (and maybe part of Injury Tolerance: No Eyes given that putting out your eyes won't stop you from seeing). Expand the volume and it mostly is just that displace your viewpoint form of Clairvoyance - that's all you need to model most of the benefits it's plenty to let you look at distant things close up, see around corners, or look at the back of your head. Or it would be if you can still only pay attention to one thing at a time. It's the pay attention to everything in the volume from all viewpoints in it that I think is the problem. Notionally you just add infinitely many levels of Enhanced Tracking, for infinite points, but that probably somewhat overestimates the real value of the ability. This is the part you probably need to better define what the benefits actually *are*.
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But for the idea of volumetric sight, maybe it would be better to imagine how a 4D creature would view a 3D volume. A 2D creature in a 2D house couldn't see past the walls, but we 3D creatures could look at an entire 2D neighborhood all at once (I mean we could only focus on one thing at a time, but we would see the whole thing in our peripheral vision at least; and ignoring how 3D light and 2D objects would interact anyway). Similarly, a 4D creature could "see" an entire 3D volume and "ignore" barriers. |
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01-17-2018, 01:16 AM | #13 |
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Re: Volumetric Sight
Has that ever been stated either by Kromm or in an official 4th ed. product? RAW it's for attacks only. And it seems to me that No Range should be a bigger limitation than 1/10 Range, when a Range C Melee Attack is the same -30% as Reduced Range 1/10.
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01-17-2018, 01:31 AM | #14 |
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Re: Volumetric Sight
Mêlée Attack is officially applicable to sensory traits, though what it actually does differs from what it does to attacks.
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01-17-2018, 02:06 AM | #15 |
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Re: Volumetric Sight
Such an Intuitive Mathematician Advantage doesn't have to represent consciously doing calculations. The brain does a lot of calculations for processing normal vision as well. I forgot to add Reflexive for it though, which is probably required for that.
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01-17-2018, 09:24 AM | #16 |
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Re: Volumetric Sight
I'm not convinced that Area Effect on a sense is balanced, at least not to extend its "viewpoint" this way. Area Effect doubles every level, for one thing, which means it ends up not taking too many levels to cover a fairly massive area. Area Effect 10, for example, covers over half a mile, for +500%. That means, on 360 Vision, that it would cost 150 points to see everything, from all sides, constantly. Compare that to Clairsentience (Clairvoyance, -10%; Increased Range, X100, +60%) [75] - half the price, sure, but it only lets you project your normal vision to one place within that half-mile range, requires a roll to do so, and you're still limited by your normal limits on sight. The 360 Vision with Area Effect has much more than just twice the utility of the Clairsentience build.
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01-17-2018, 10:48 AM | #17 | |
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Re: Volumetric Sight
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Also it seems to me that superior 3d spatial sense has a more appropriate trait than Intuitive Mathematician,but I wouldn't require that either. Being able to use your senses effectively is just a feature of having senses. |
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01-17-2018, 12:26 PM | #18 |
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Re: Volumetric Sight
Where is this spelled out? I was sure I'd seen something to that effect, but I've checked Characters, Powers, and Enhanced Senses and not found anything.
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01-17-2018, 01:58 PM | #20 |
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Re: Volumetric Sight
Human brains don't process information about what's behind your head at all, but 360 degree vision still lets you use that information to form a full picture of your environment, instead of getting confused and thinking its all in front of you.
Being able to use the sense is a function of having the sense at all.
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