11-10-2014, 08:25 AM | #21 |
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Re: [MA] Finger Lock - what's the point?
I've never been a bouncer or even in a fight. But I thought once drunks get violent, their ability to judge situations reasonably, even slightly, has long since left the building.
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11-10-2014, 09:57 AM | #22 | |
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However one thing I should say, I'd guess that bouncers over here would actually be less likely to use finger hold simply because I'd guess in a struggle you might be more likely to break a finger you have in a hold, than say a wrist or arm you have in a hold. Actually breaking something might leave you (and the place you work for) more open for trouble later on, as lasting damage tends to get frowned on more than a pain hold that has no ongoing repercussions. That said some of the stories I've heard lead me to believe that concern for lasting damage may not be too high on every bouncers priority list! |
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11-10-2014, 11:52 AM | #23 |
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Re: [MA] Finger Lock - what's the point?
We train a body of finger and hand/wrist locks in Modern Arnis. Though the goal is usually to prompt a change of focus from your opponent than any long-lasting pain compliance.
I've seen it in action many times. People (especially untrained) who find themselves in a pain-inducing lock will naturally try to move in such a way as to minimize the pain. This can be anything from an attempted rapid retraction to a full-on posture change (most common). But one thing that is almost universal is that a "good" finger/wrist lock will not only get your opponent's attention, but will likely make him change his initial course of action. One thing we don't do with locks like that is try to maintain control. We put the lock on just long enough to create an opening for a strike/throw/whatever. Maintaining a small joint lock on a non-compliant opponent for any length of time is exceedingly difficult. |
11-10-2014, 12:50 PM | #24 | ||
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Sometimes. There are the "clear-headed" drunks who are still buzzed, but still okay. Sometimes they're spoiling for a fight, sometimes they just want to talk and are super-chatty. Those type can be dangerous as hell, because their inhibitions are loose, but their ability to think isn't really affected. These are the sorts of folks who can drink a fifth, drive home, and get into bed before passing out. I knew this one boomer who could drink like a fish and pass any sobriety test he needed to.
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11-10-2014, 11:50 PM | #25 |
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Re: [MA] Finger Lock - what's the point?
I do understand how bizarrely varied response to intoxicants can be.
Long before I suffer impaired judgment, my sense of balance drops to headless chicken levels. While large doses of opiates just make me mentally fuzzy. (Prescribed, just completely ineffective for pain management.)
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I was only thinking of those willfully "thugging" and blasted drunks unaware of their actions or consequences thereof.
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11-12-2014, 07:10 AM | #27 |
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Re: [MA] Finger Lock - what's the point?
I've broken fingers, while sober, beating on people or things. I've even got a boxer's fracture on my left little finger, such that I can't make it line up with the rest of the other fingers on that hand. None of these breaks "kicked in" until well after the event was over, however.
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For instance: Something happening quickly while you concentrating on something else vs. a slow increase and maintenance of pain levels. Think how often you've hurt yourself but only realised it when you then jar the thing you hurt latter on. Last edited by Tomsdad; 11-13-2014 at 03:12 AM. |
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A lot of people aren't used to physical confrontation and tend to freeze up, even less are used to getting hit or hurt during physical confrontation and can freeze up at that as well. I remember a teacher I had once who said (paraphrased): I teach you how not to get into fights, but that is the ideal. If you are going to get hit in a fight you want your reaction to be "huh I got hit harder than that in sparring on Thursday night" rather than "ow, ow, ow, what the ****" (just to say he was talking about the fact that lots of real fights tend to involve hits that aren't actually that hard, most being flailing punches thrown by people who are concentrating more on why they are throwing them not how they are throwing them. We weren't beating each other up or walloping each other with sticks "spetnaz style" or anything)! basically just another version of train like you fight, fight like you train Last edited by Tomsdad; 11-13-2014 at 03:28 AM. |
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