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11-09-2014, 06:31 PM | #12 |
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Re: [MA] Finger Lock - what's the point?
Odd. In grade school, a strange kid bent my finger back until it broke. But while it hurt, of course, it didn't hurt anywhere near as much as I expected a broken bone to.
I swear, maybe I just have high pain threshold, but only on my right side. Pain compliance only works if the target trusts you to do worse if you don't comply. Most Gurps combat involves less "social" forms, I imagine. More target knockdown, less intimidation through pain. But of course, YMMV.
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Part of the reason some styles try to leverage finger locks into larger joint locks via pain is that it's hard to ignore that initial pain, or force the person to just inflict injury . . . and they can use that pain to gain a hold that can cause actual functional crippling that will disable you. It's the "finger lock which gets a wrist-breaking wrist lock" or "toe hold that leads to a knee bar" approach. Pain compliance can make that happen simply because humans don't generally ignore blinding pain so well.
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11-09-2014, 10:11 PM | #14 |
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That sounds like a realistic human on human psychological quirk that doesn't genericise very well. As well as it falling below the time frame of combat maneuvers in Gurps.
I don't think many other animals pause when injured and aware of exactly what just caused it.
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11-10-2014, 03:12 AM | #15 |
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Re: [MA] Finger Lock - what's the point?
Well let's face it: MA and TG are at least as big, likely bigger, than between 4e and 3e. I was hoping to understand finger locks in the context of MA, not throw away MA mechanics and replace them with different ones.
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11-10-2014, 03:17 AM | #16 | |
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Oh well, I guess nothing can be done about it. |
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11-10-2014, 03:45 AM | #18 | |
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In a life of death situation I don't the pain of broken finger is enough to stop us, but as submission technique by a bouncer to concentrate the mind of some drunk office worker to stop being an ass it probably enough in a lot of situations. (that said sweaty naked fingers are probably more likely to get CR than a wrist so it's probably easier to maintain a grip on a wrist than a finger in some situations) |
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11-10-2014, 04:28 AM | #19 | |
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11-10-2014, 04:35 AM | #20 | |
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To an extent, but it tends to blunt or negate other methods of drawing the drinkers attention to things faster though! It's not about crippling someone with pain (which I agree is not close to certain with finger locks), its about focussing attention or dissuading someone. Don't get me wrong all in all I'd favour a wrist lock over a finger lock! |
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