Fixing the Goblin loophole

hcobb · 10-22-2018, 03:22 PM

Start Goblins with ST 6, DX 10, IQ 10 and six extra points.

This way the players are denied hyperintelligent starting wizard PCs.

Skarg · 10-22-2018, 05:31 PM

I think I'd rather fix the problem with high starting IQ being a problem. Or just disallow starting at IQ > 16, if that's an inescapably bad thing.

TippetsTX · 10-22-2018, 05:40 PM

I actually like the twist on stereotype... so much so that I made 'smart' goblins one of the big bads in my homebrew D&D setting I created after HS. They commanded legions of hobgoblins and were among some of the most powerful mages in the world. I had forgotten where I originally got that idea, but it probably came from TFT.

hcobb · 10-22-2018, 06:23 PM

Note that even with this change Goblins still do better at GMIC-ary than humans, but it isn't a first month on the job sort of thing.

Tenex · 10-22-2018, 06:29 PM

Isn't this largely self-correcting? A starting goblin wizard with ST 6, DX 8, and IQ 18 is going to be challenging to keep alive.

Anthony · 10-22-2018, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by hcobb

Note that even with this change Goblins still do better at GMIC-ary than humans, but it isn't a first month on the job sort of thing.

This seems to have more to do with ST not mattering for crafting than with goblins per se.

hcobb · 10-22-2018, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Tenex

Isn't this largely self-correcting? A starting goblin wizard with ST 6, DX 8, and IQ 18 is going to be challenging to keep alive.

A group of starting players summon up a few demons to plus up their attributes. If they fail then just start over.

Tenex · 10-22-2018, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by hcobb

A group of starting players summon up a few demons to plus up their attributes. If they fail then just start over.

Hmmm. OK. Is this sort of like the old experience from jobs thing? Under this process it seems you might as well just give the players 34, 35, 36 or whatever arbitrary level of CP to begin with.

TippetsTX · 10-22-2018, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by hcobb

Note that even with this change Goblins still do better at GMIC-ary than humans, but it isn't a first month on the job sort of thing.

Make 'Goblin Made' great again!

Skarg · 10-23-2018, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TippetsTX

I actually like the twist on stereotype... so much so that I made 'smart' goblins one of the big bads in my homebrew D&D setting I created after HS. They commanded legions of hobgoblins and were among some of the most powerful mages in the world. I had forgotten where I originally got that idea, but it probably came from TFT.

A nation led by goblins was one of the main conquerors in my original TFT campaign (where goblins start at the traditional ST 6 DX 8 IQ 10 + 6 extra) by being the upper castes in a society that also has many hobgoblins and orcs and human, and by being generally not stupid, and taking advantage of their trustworthiness.

I welcome PCs starting goblins as 32 points, but don't like the side-effect of 500 XP as the only way to learn a spell or talent, so that's where I'd house-rule a fix.

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Originally Posted by Tenex

Isn't this largely self-correcting? A starting goblin wizard with ST 6, DX 8, and IQ 18 is going to be challenging to keep alive.

It would tend to, if you give out XP awards for combat and not for sitting through a session and roleplaying non-dangerous situations.

10-22-2018, 03:22 PM	#1
hcobb Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Pacheco, California	Fixing the Goblin loophole Start Goblins with ST 6, DX 10, IQ 10 and six extra points. This way the players are denied hyperintelligent starting wizard PCs. __________________ -HJC

10-22-2018, 05:31 PM	#2
Skarg Join Date: May 2015	Re: Fixing the Goblin loophole I think I'd rather fix the problem with high starting IQ being a problem. Or just disallow starting at IQ > 16, if that's an inescapably bad thing.

10-22-2018, 05:40 PM	#3
TippetsTX Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: North Texas	Re: Fixing the Goblin loophole I actually like the twist on stereotype... so much so that I made 'smart' goblins one of the big bads in my homebrew D&D setting I created after HS. They commanded legions of hobgoblins and were among some of the most powerful mages in the world. I had forgotten where I originally got that idea, but it probably came from TFT. __________________ “No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife between the shoulder blades will seriously cramp his style.” -Vladimir Taltos

10-22-2018, 06:23 PM	#4
hcobb Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Pacheco, California	Re: Fixing the Goblin loophole Note that even with this change Goblins still do better at GMIC-ary than humans, but it isn't a first month on the job sort of thing. __________________ -HJC

10-22-2018, 06:29 PM	#5
Tenex Join Date: Aug 2018	Re: Fixing the Goblin loophole Isn't this largely self-correcting? A starting goblin wizard with ST 6, DX 8, and IQ 18 is going to be challenging to keep alive.