When do combat modifiers get discarded? (Also, Doppelganger question)

Tiek00n · 08-19-2012, 12:54 PM

I had an interesting situation come up while playing today that brought up the question of when exactly combat modifiers leave play and get discarded.

I was fighting at an effective level 23, against an effective level 22 monster. The monster was mated, and I used doppelganger to bring the fight to two 23's (me) v. two 22's (monsters). A wandering monster was added to the fight (level 4), and I wanted to use Wand of Dowsing to retrieve the doppelganger card from the discard pile to use again (WoD was in my "backpack" on the table). However, this brought up 2 questions:

The more general question is: when do combat modifier cards leave the table? If someone plays a monster modifier (Ancient, Baby, ...), a one-shot item (potion, balloons, ...) or other combat modifier (doppelganger, mate, ...) do the cards physically stay on the table to represent their involvement in combat, or do they get played from the hand and immediately go to the discard pile, and only leave their effect on the combat?

The second, more specific question, that arose is the use of doppelganger when doppelganger has already been used. The card states that it can only be used if the user is the only player in combat. Does the copy of me also count as a player? According to our interpretation of the rules, a player is defined as a human playing the game, so we decided that the doppelganger copy isn't a player, which would allow doppelganger to be used again (assuming it could be retrieved). Are there any official rulings on whether the doppelganger copy counts as "a player?"

I realize that people can have different interpretations, so I would greatly appreciate it if you are able to provide any official source for your answers to my questions. Thanks!

08-19-2012, 12:54 PM	#1
Tiek00n Join Date: Aug 2012	When do combat modifiers get discarded? (Also, Doppelganger question) I had an interesting situation come up while playing today that brought up the question of when exactly combat modifiers leave play and get discarded. I was fighting at an effective level 23, against an effective level 22 monster. The monster was mated, and I used doppelganger to bring the fight to two 23's (me) v. two 22's (monsters). A wandering monster was added to the fight (level 4), and I wanted to use Wand of Dowsing to retrieve the doppelganger card from the discard pile to use again (WoD was in my "backpack" on the table). However, this brought up 2 questions: The more general question is: when do combat modifier cards leave the table? If someone plays a monster modifier (Ancient, Baby, ...), a one-shot item (potion, balloons, ...) or other combat modifier (doppelganger, mate, ...) do the cards physically stay on the table to represent their involvement in combat, or do they get played from the hand and immediately go to the discard pile, and only leave their effect on the combat? The second, more specific question, that arose is the use of doppelganger when doppelganger has already been used. The card states that it can only be used if the user is the only player in combat. Does the copy of me also count as a player? According to our interpretation of the rules, a player is defined as a human playing the game, so we decided that the doppelganger copy isn't a player, which would allow doppelganger to be used again (assuming it could be retrieved). Are there any official rulings on whether the doppelganger copy counts as "a player?" I realize that people can have different interpretations, so I would greatly appreciate it if you are able to provide any official source for your answers to my questions. Thanks!