02-22-2013, 05:57 PM | #11 |
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Re: Pyramid #3/52: Low-Tech II
Cattle, goats, and sheep can all be grazed on land that's too rugged to farm; chickens cannot.
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02-22-2013, 06:03 PM | #12 |
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Re: Pyramid #3/52: Low-Tech II
Considering that peasants and serfs were often lucky to have food, I'd say that this is a problem for only a few.
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02-22-2013, 06:21 PM | #13 |
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Re: Pyramid #3/52: Low-Tech II
Agreed! I offered it mostly as cause for why a landowner might not want to focus on poultry.
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Re: Pyramid #3/52: Low-Tech II
There are some interesting reflections on the price of poultry (and of pork and dairy foods) in Adam Smith's The Wealth of Nations, Book I, chapter 11, ¶202 – ¶205
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Remember that unlike cattle and sheep chickens cannot subsist on the grass that grows in the waste ground, and that unlike pigs they cannot eat the mast in beech and oak forests and woods. Cheap production of poultry is limited in proportion to the cultivation of fields. The economics of ducks in wet rice agriculture is even more interesting (turned out into the paddy-fields they eat pests, fertilise the rice with their droppings, and actually increase production, thus demonstrating negative cost up to a certain proporition with rice production), but sadly Smith was not aware of the facts. Anyway, the chief reason that landowners didn't specialise in raising poultry was that it is only cheap as a joint product with grain. Specialise, and it becomes expensive.
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02-22-2013, 07:19 PM | #15 |
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Re: Pyramid #3/52: Low-Tech II
I didn't go into it here because the article was already complicated enough (though it was addressed briefly in 3/33), but the prestige of a given crop is going to be a significant economic factor. However, it's one based on culture, not technology. Luxury pricing is going to hit some of these values very hard. In a setting which looks vaguely like historical Europe, the beef and pork prices are going to be somewhat higher, and the chicken prices maybe somewhat lower. And in a world that contains something like a historical Europe paying out mad dosh for spices, those price increases can percolate back through the supply chain so that even producers see a nice price bump. But, of course, those adjustments have to be campaign-specific.
There's one other small thing I didn't factor in since I had zero data, but some things travel terribly. Spices, you can pack up in a chest and ship across the continent. Animals are different. Cattle and pigs can be driven to market, but the exercise burns off some fat, so you need to either sell animals who weigh less (and get less money) or fatten them up again (which costs you more). Then again, since they're self-propelled, you don't need to pay much to transport them, so it's probably a wash. Chickens, though, have to be carried to market and need to be fed grain along the way because they can't forage. That may be below any reasonable level of resolution when taking chickens from a village to a nearby town, but might make it less than profitable to buy chickens in Baghdad and sell them in Samarkand.
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02-22-2013, 07:47 PM | #16 |
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Re: Pyramid #3/52: Low-Tech II
On a non-chicken related subject, I was home sick today and spent my conscious hours tinkering with an Excel spreadsheet for the Low Tech Armor article, although I'm not sure if it'll work in older versions or GoogleDocs.
It brought up an interesting question though: What's the connection between physical statistics, DR/inch, Max DR, and WM for various materials? If I have a fantasy material that is "as hard as steel" but "as light as <x>" I can probably throw together DR/in (not used in any calculations that I've spotted) and WM (used) but Max DR (used) I am not sure how to generate. It seems like it should be related to density (WM) and tensile strength or hardness (DR/in?), based on my not-a-materials-engineer vague impression? I tried fitting Max DR to a cube root and a log of DR/in and can't. Does being a flexible material factor in somewhere?
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LTC3 has, as I recall, a fairly good metric for how many dogs a household can feed with scrap food, based on household Status. Something like that ought to be used for chicken production as well. |
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02-22-2013, 07:52 PM | #19 | |
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02-22-2013, 07:59 PM | #20 |
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Re: Pyramid #3/52: Low-Tech II
Weight Multiple/multiplier/thingy.
I'll need to ask Steven if it's OK before I can put it up anywhere - and my preference is really stuffing it up somewhere for people who bought the Pyramid issue, since it in some ways ends up replacing the article :P I learned how to make checkboxes go in Excel 2013 today! I should be able to back-export to Excel 2003 with relatively little problems, from what I'm seeing. GDocs is probably a no-go, I'm into features it just doesn't do. Not sure about LibreOffice/OpenOffice.
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