08-30-2018, 06:56 PM | #31 |
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Technically, Military Rank 7 and Political Rank 7 would give four levels of Status, meaning that a king would need to pay for Status 3. I would give him Multimillionaire 2 and have him pay for Status 3.
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08-30-2018, 08:13 PM | #32 | |
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Although in the special case of a reigning king, I'd say that his Political Rank, equal by definition to his Status (if he has Political Rank at all), takes precedence. And then, also, as a head of state, he's the person the generals all report to. He may be Status 6 and Political Rank 6, but Status 8 generals and admirals take orders from him. I tend to think of Rank as being granted by someone who's above the top of the hierarchy, to whom the Rank holders owe service. One of the reasons for adding Political Rank, in fact, is so that the president of the United States, to whom our military commanders (with up to 40 points of Rank) owe obedience, was not based on fewer points than they were (35 points for Status 7) but on more (35 points for Political Rank 7 and 25 for Status 7).
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08-30-2018, 08:51 PM | #33 | |
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A fictional state could be contrived where the privy purse is never more then what a typical high placed professional could get. They could still live in state and call it part of the budget for diplomatic expenses or whatever.
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08-31-2018, 12:00 PM | #34 | |
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It seems clear enough to me that a feudal lord has the effects of both Military and Administrative Ranks and it's not like the modern day case where an Admin Rank 7 POTUS "commands" all US forces while sitting in the Oval Office. The feudal giy has to saddle up and risk his life leading from very near the front indeed.
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08-31-2018, 01:18 PM | #35 | |
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08-31-2018, 05:07 PM | #36 | |
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And when you're thinking of professional soldiers in the middle ages, don't forget the Knights Templars, Knights Hospitallers, Knights of Calatrava, Knights of Alcantara, Knights of Aviz, Mercedarian Knights, Knights of St Thomas Acon, Teutonic Knights, Order of Santiago, and Order of Sao Thiago. Or even the Knights of St Lazarus. Mercenary units weren't the only outfits of full-time soldiers with permanent organisation.
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09-03-2018, 01:48 PM | #37 |
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There may have been technicalities if rank and status but rarely did anyone militarily out rank someone they also didn’t outrank socially.
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09-03-2018, 03:28 PM | #39 | |
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If I recall correctly, originally the British sovereign owned the Royal Navy and technically all the land or most of it. Today some of the upkeep of the monarchy is out of the queen’s own pocket, and some is paid by the government. I saw on some home buying show that some home purchases in the UK are still technically a long term leases from the sovereign. At what point does a government’s money stop being the monarch’s money? Today, what was Donald Trump’s status before becoming POTUS? I mean the guy has a plane that rivals Air Force One already. He might be SAVING money being President. There was no world leader that wouldn’t have sat down and talked to businessman Trump that would talk to him as President Trump.... maybe more would have talked to the businessman. Lex Luthor once said to Superman: “Do you know how much power I would have to give up to become President?” Conversely, Barry Obama was in substantial debt and was the junior senator from Illinois. His status and personal wealth got a signifigant increase by becoming POTUS. Noteably, he was seen paying with a JP Morgan charge card, which means he has at least $10mil in assets being managed by JP Morgan... quite a change from his financial situation pre-POTUS. Bush II was somewhere in between. Landowner and oilman in Texas, reasonably wealthy. Professional baseball team owner, maybe known in Texas but not a national household name like Trump. Probably lower status that his brother, governor of Florida. Post-POTUS his status seems to have gone back to more or less what it was Pre-POTUS. He gives a few speeches, works with charities but he’s essentially just a wealthy landowner in Texas again. How much does the status of the position stick with you after you no longer have it? Obama pretty clearly gained status, did Trump effectively stay the same... or even lose status? Last edited by tanksoldier; 09-03-2018 at 03:50 PM. |
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09-03-2018, 03:37 PM | #40 | |
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Even in the res privata case, though, there are monarchies where the state acts as a going concern with its own accounts, the monarch owns that concern, but the monarch keeps separate accounts for himself personally. It can get messy without that. When I studied Chinese history we learned about the dowager empress in the 19th century who spent the Chinese naval budget for a year or two on building a marble ship in a pool in the Imperial Palace for herself and her ladies in waiting.
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