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Old 10-19-2017, 03:38 PM   #11
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Yes, if you're blatantly expecting lethal violence in your pub the magistrates will start wondering why you should be allowed to have a pub at all. Any weaponry behind the bar is likely to be strictly unofficial, and it's much easier to cover up a light cudgelling than gunshot wounds.
A shotgun behind the counter is a bit more likely in businesses that are open at night, and where customers may not be thinking clearly, or even considering robbery. Pawnbrokers and off-licenses are the classic cases; such a gun is mostly a supporting argument for Intimidation or Diplomacy.
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Does anyone know how common poaching was in the 1930's? Between the the various Houses that lost their heir's in WW I, and the economic hardships of the Great Depression ending family fortunes, how many estates were effectively abandoned in the more rural areas? Of course the commoners needing to eat would also play into this.
Land is always in short supply in the British Isles. Estates might well be rented out for farming at low rates, or sold off, but abandoning a valuable asset is unlikely. The frequency of poaching would vary a lot, with the quality of the estate management and of the local policing, the biggest factors. By the 1930s, most of the British population lived in urban areas and would lack the skills to poach effectively.
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Old 10-19-2017, 06:11 PM   #12
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Land is always in short supply in the British Isles. Estates might well be rented out for farming at low rates, or sold off, but abandoning a valuable asset is unlikely. The frequency of poaching would vary a lot, with the quality of the estate management and of the local policing, the biggest factors. By the 1930s, most of the British population lived in urban areas and would lack the skills to poach effectively.
Good points, I was primarily thinking of roughly Yorkshire on north.
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Old 10-20-2017, 12:07 AM   #13
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In the movie Gosford Park (set in 1932) they have a lot of shotguns at the titular manor. Two for each guest of the pheasant hunt as a gentleman apparently can't be expected to reload his own gun (or wait). :)
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Old 10-23-2017, 09:59 AM   #14
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That's all quite plausible. Pistols require a Firearms Certificate, which they can get at the discretion of their local Chief Constable. This is far easier for upper-class people. Knives are not regulated, but carrying them for combat purposes will make the police dubious about you.

Farmers are more likely to have a shotgun than a small-bore rifle, and shotguns weren't controlled at the time. A publican wanting a gun for keeping order in his establishment would be regarded very dubiously; a shotgun would be possible, but a cudgel is legally much safer.
If it's not hilted you can always claim a cudgel is just a walking stick.
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Old 10-23-2017, 10:21 AM   #15
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Good points, I was primarily thinking of roughly Yorkshire on north.
The frequency of poaching would depend on local population density, local policing and the management of the estate. If it's been turned over to farming, there won't be much to poach - animals and birds for shooting in the British Isles are all bred for the purpose on managed land, and trout and salmon rivers are managed for that purpose.

The practical effect for gaming purposes is that you can put an area where there is good poaching almost anywhere that isn't urban.
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Old 10-23-2017, 10:38 AM   #16
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Ah, I thought that the north/Scotland was a bit more wild than that.
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Ah, I thought that the north/Scotland was a bit more wild than that.
Every square inch of land belongs to someone, and is used in some way. This has been the case for centuries.
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Old 10-24-2017, 05:05 PM   #18
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Every square inch of land belongs to someone, and is used in some way. This has been the case for centuries.
Since the Clearances, anyway.
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Since the Clearances, anyway.
...and before then. If anything it was more heavily settled and used before the clearances (hence the name).
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...and before then. If anything it was more heavily settled and used before the clearances (hence the name).
That usage was much more chaotic under highlands clans and the highlands were forested up until the mid-17th century.
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