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Old 01-06-2013, 02:46 PM   #1
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Default [Powers] Leech and nonsapient victims

Leech "only affects living beings", but Gurps Powers says nothing about the SAPIENCE of your victims.
Can psionic/magic/whatever Leech and its various enhancements affect normal animals, plants and/or anything alive with a IQ score of 5 or less?
On a side note, if Leech "only affects SAPIENT living beings", the Morph ability of the Vampirism power (GURPS Powers p.135) needs a "Sapient Forms Only" limitation, but I can't decide the price (-10% or -20%?), any suggestions?

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Old 01-06-2013, 05:48 PM   #2
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Leech affects living things. Id doesn't say anything about their brains because there's no restriction based on brains unless you LIMIT it to such. With a limitation :)
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Old 01-06-2013, 07:23 PM   #3
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Can psionic/magic/whatever Leech and its various enhancements affect normal animals, plants and/or anything alive with a IQ score of 5 or less?
Rules-as-written, Leech works on anything the referee defines as "alive".

Rules-as-intended, I do believe Kromm has posted something about it being intended to work on targets with IQ 1 or higher and that if we wanted it to work on IQ 0 targets we could flip that as a zero-cost feature (which stops it from working on IQ 1+ targets) or a +100% modifier (which lets it work on both). I vaguely recall something about a modifier to make it work on non-living targets instead / as well ...

I'd suggest searching the forums.

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On a side note, if Leech "only affects SAPIENT living beings", the Morph ability of the Vampirism power (GURPS Powers p.135) needs a "Sapient Forms Only" limitation, but I can't decide the price (-10% or -20%?), any suggestions?
I'd price that as a -20% Accessibility modifier.
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Old 01-07-2013, 02:27 AM   #4
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Default Re: [Powers] Leech and nonsapient victims

I would say greater than -20% as while sapients are rather common, it's much harder to hunt secretly. The world is full of trees with more than enough hit points to keep a plant-pire happy.
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Old 01-07-2013, 03:46 AM   #5
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Default Re: [Powers] Leech and nonsapient victims

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Rules-as-written, Leech works on anything the referee defines as "alive".
Correct.
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Rules-as-intended, I do believe Kromm has posted something about it being intended to work on targets with IQ 1 or higher and that if we wanted it to work on IQ 0 targets we could flip that as a zero-cost feature (which stops it from working on IQ 1+ targets) or a +100% modifier (which lets it work on both). I vaguely recall something about a modifier to make it work on non-living targets instead / as well ...
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Hi Sean, A point was brought up in the Help creating life-draining touch ability? thread, that the basic Leech ability allowed for draining HP from plants. The text does seem to support this, but it feels overpowered to me that a non-limited leech can just go suck a tree for healing, without having to worry about victims that might fight back. Is that really supposed to be the idea?

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No. The idea is that you can use Leech on things that have IQ. IQ 0 trees and grass shouldn't count.
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Would a variant Leech(Plants), like the mentioned Leech(Mechanical), be a valid extension of the rules?
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Yes, I think that's a good variant.


Sentience appearing to be the main determinant, but once you branch into nonsentience, it looks like categories become necessary. I would rather keep such stuff away from PCs, as a general rule, but I am conservative that way. I cannot think of many examples of Leech being used on non-sentients.
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Old 01-07-2013, 11:19 AM   #6
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I would say greater than -20% as while sapients are rather common, it's much harder to hunt secretly. The world is full of trees with more than enough hit points to keep a plant-pire happy.
much more importantly, there are much larger ethical issues: feeding off of cattle gets you labeled a theif at the very worst, feeding off of people gets you labeled as a monster.
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Old 01-07-2013, 01:06 PM   #7
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much more importantly, there are much larger ethical issues: feeding off of cattle gets you labeled a theif at the very worst, feeding off of people gets you labeled as a monster.
Add Steals Other Score: FP and suddenly you're just a friendly neighbourhood daemon.
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Old 01-07-2013, 11:55 PM   #8
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much more importantly, there are much larger ethical issues: feeding off of cattle gets you labeled a theif at the very worst, feeding off of people gets you labeled as a monster.
Now a days, people keep a look out for missing pets as in the real world it can be a sign of up and coming serial killers.
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Old 01-08-2013, 01:01 PM   #9
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Thanks for all the replies, if Leech works fine even with nonsapient animals, my character is going to add a new quirk: Loves draining cats for sport.

Still, it sounds weird Steal Youth can give you eternal youth by draining the occasional cat...
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Old 01-08-2013, 01:13 PM   #10
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Thanks for all the replies, if Leech works fine even with nonsapient animals, my character is going to add a new quirk: Loves draining cats for sport.

Still, it sounds weird Steal Youth can give you eternal youth by draining the occasional cat...
Weird...or weird-awesome?

It's dangerous to drain cats alone! Take THIS!
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