Seraphim and "what lies will work"

[naraht]

You have a team made up of a Mercurian and a Seraph who are trying to get into a Demonic Tether. The Seraph has noticed that the heat is out in the building and says the following. "I believe that we can get in the building if you tell the guard that we are here to fix the heat". This *is* the truth, but is indicating a way that the Mercurian should lie.

Should the Seraph get dissonance? Is the Seraph merely unhappy? Would a triad take any action? (Assume the Seraph is completely open about the situation). Does the Superior of the Seraph matter?

[William]

Merely unhappy. Worse when hearing the Mercurian actually say it.

Obviously, the Seraph will tend to try to think of ways to get into a building like this that don't involve lying. There aren't a lot of them that don't also involve firefights, though.

[Rocket Man]

The first thing that comes to mind: show up in denim with a tool box, knock on the door and say "I understand your heat's out. Mind if I come in?"

No lie involved. Especially if the Seraph has any kind of blue-collar Role.

[Acolyte]

The Seraph suggesting deception as a plan is probably suggesting it only as a last resort, and is not honorbound to keep the group from using the plan if someone else suggests it pre-last-resort stage. This is not dissonant, and a Triad/the Seraph's Superior isn't going to be upset about it. Now, if the Seraph habitually started planning sessions by suggesting such things, it indicates an unhealthy interest in deception and someone might notice. Caveat 2: if a Seraph's allies continually rely on deception as a main tactic, they are putting him in very uncomfortable and potentially dissonant situations, which means they aren't good friends. Depending on the Words those allies serve (and how tight the friendship is), they may not care overmuch, but dragging a Seraph along on deception-heavy missions time and time again is likely to get that Seraph's boss angry with you as well.

The first thing that comes to mind: show up in denim with a tool box, knock on the door and say "I understand your heat's out. Mind if I come in?"

No lie involved. Especially if the Seraph has any kind of blue-collar Role.

That's dangerous because the most likely followup to that line is, "Oh, are you the heating repair guys?" which might really put the Seraph in hot water. (Obviously, if he has an appropriate Role he could get away with "I am a repair guy" which would probably be enough--but Tether Security might start asking for badges or calling the company or something, leaving the Seraph in trouble.)

[Archangel Beth]

Another note about Seraphim and fibs in general: remember that Seraphim of the Wind adore skating on the thin edge of their natures. How True can you get and still get people to do what you're Fast-Talking them into doing?

Heck, angels of the Wind probably routinely bounce ideas off of their Seraphim to see if the Symphony agrees that some hair-brained scheme might actually work! (Or, in the case of certain long-eared Cherubim of the Wind, hare-brained schemes...) And if they don't have a Seraph of their own, they consider kidnapping Judge Seraphim; they tend to have really good resonances for this sort of thing.

...why are people looking at me like that?

[Rocket Man]

And Acolyte, in keeping with what Beth said about skating on the thin edge, there's the obvious response to "Are you the heating repair guys?" Namely:

"You wouldn't believe how many of these things we've fixed."

[naraht]

Originally Posted by Archangel Beth

How True can you get and still get people to do what you're Fast-Talking them into doing?

That might be a fun question, what is the reaction of Various Superiors to have a Seraph with Fast-Talking. I think Janus and Marc are probably the least likely to have an issue, and Litheroy (and maybe Dominic) on the other end.

[JCD]

Originally Posted by Rocket Man

The first thing that comes to mind: show up in denim with a tool box, knock on the door and say "I understand your heat's out. Mind if I come in?"

No lie involved. Especially if the Seraph has any kind of blue-collar Role.

No. It won't do.

By dressing that way and carrying that box, he is asserting "I am a heating repair man". This is a lie unless he has a Role or a knowldege of HVAC systems.

[JCD]

I am a bit more of a hard liner.

Seraph: (Places tool box full of guns and knived on the desk) "I want to bring my tools into your building and fix the problems in here."

Rec: "Oh...are you here to fix the heating?"

Seraph: "I can take a look at the heating." he asserts

Rec: "It's freezing in here."

Seraph: "Not yet. It certainly won't fix itself."

Rec: "Have you done this job long?"

Seraph: "Far longer then you'd think."