A Question about Retreating

[steflomase]

Hello guys. I have i basic question about retreating.
In BS p.377 says:

"If your opponent attacked you with
a maneuver that allows a step, but has
not yet taken his step, he can choose
to follow you by taking his unused
step. In effect, he is forcing you back!"

So if i get it right, if this happened there is no bonus for defender for retreating?(because defender are not moving away). Am i wrong?

I didn't find any rules that directly says that. Same as didn't see this in any campaign i played or saw.

[Mr_Sandman]

Originally Posted by steflomase

Hello guys. I have i basic question about retreating.
In BS p.377 says:

"If your opponent attacked you with
a maneuver that allows a step, but has
not yet taken his step, he can choose
to follow you by taking his unused
step. In effect, he is forcing you back!"

So if i get it right, if this happened there is no bonus for defender for retreating?(because defender are not moving away). Am i wrong?

I didn't find any rules that directly says that. Same as didn't see this in any campaign i played or saw.

You still get the bonus to your defense for the retreat. That rule is just about the tactics of positioning on the map.

It probably would have been better to post this question as a new thread. It's different enough from the original thread topic, and it makes it easier for people with the same question to find it in the future.

[sjard]

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Split off into a new thread.
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[zoncxs]

You still get your retreat bonus, what that is pointing out is how the distance may not grow because the attacker also stepped in.

For example:

Fighter A is within striking range of Fighter B.

A attacks B without moving.
B retreats a step.
After the attack, A also steps in.

It may not seem useful at first, but you are pushing B back with each attack.

Another great way to use your step is with a wait maneuver.

Fighter A waits for Fighter B to attack, at that moment Fighter A will also attack.

So B attacks A and A attacks B at the same time, A steps into Close combat with their attack causing B to retreat while A slips in* against B's attack, keeping them in close combat.

Now that its A turn again, they are in Close Combat and B cannot retreat any more back until it is his turn again, allow A to do more attacks that require CC range.



*optional rule found in Martial Arts.

[Donny Brook]

Originally Posted by steflomase

Hello guys. I have i basic question about retreating.
In BS p.377 says:

"If your opponent attacked you with
a maneuver that allows a step, but has
not yet taken his step, he can choose
to follow you by taking his unused
step. In effect, he is forcing you back!"

So if i get it right, if this happened there is no bonus for defender for retreating?(because defender are not moving away). Am i wrong?

I didn't find any rules that directly says that. Same as didn't see this in any campaign i played or saw.

You still get the defense bonus of retreating, but your opponent's step keeps him at the same reach. You can retreat again if he attacks on the next turn (if you have somewhere to go).

[steflomase]

Yeah, thx. I was too rush with start questioning without thinking.
I thought about this(quote i post) like additional option but it's more like a tip.
And i totaly foget about turn sequence.(i mean attacker step forward to enemy after his attack).
Now it's clear for me.

But what about cenematic rules with chambra technic(wich allows inserting step s between attacks)?
For example.
Attacker choose All-Out Attack Double.
He does his attack -> defender retreats -> then attacker make step and do his second attack.
Do defender defence with bonus modifier for retreat from second attack?

[Plane]

Originally Posted by steflomase

what about cenematic rules with chambra technic(wich allows inserting step s between attacks)?
For example.
Attacker choose All-Out Attack Double.
He does his attack -> defender retreats -> then attacker make step and do his second attack.
Do defender defence with bonus modifier for retreat from second attack?

I would speculate they still get the bonus if you're attacking from the same direction as before (they still moved away from that direction)

But if chambara allows you to attack from a different facing, then I wouldn't apply the retreat bonus against that subsequent attack.

[zoncxs]

Originally Posted by steflomase

But what about cenematic rules with chambra technic(wich allows inserting step s between attacks)?
For example.
Attacker choose All-Out Attack Double.
He does his attack -> defender retreats -> then attacker make step and do his second attack.
Do defender defence with bonus modifier for retreat from second attack?

You retain your retreating bonus until the START of your next turn.

So yes, they still get the bonus for any and all attacks coming at them until they get their next turn.



If you want to get REALLY technical, I would apply the optional rules from Martial Arts at all times. That is to say, the following would happen:

Retreating bonus depends on the direction of an attack and which way you moved.

Imagine a person (A) surrounded on all 6 sides.
3 (BCD) attackers from the front.
1 (E) On the left.
1 (F) On the right.
1 (G) from the back.

All six attack him, A retreats back into CC with G.

This puts B, C, and D in front, giving A the +3 bonus.
E and F are on the sides still, so the bonus is only +2.
G is "Behind", A moved into them so the bonus is only +1.

This assumes they all attacked and did not move!

[jackcelso]

Originally Posted by zoncxs

You retain your retreating bonus until the START of your next turn.

So yes, they still get the bonus for any and all attacks coming at them until they get their next turn.



If you want to get REALLY technical, I would apply the optional rules from Martial Arts at all times. That is to say, the following would happen:

Retreating bonus depends on the direction of an attack and which way you moved.

Imagine a person (A) surrounded on all 6 sides.
3 (BCD) attackers from the front.
1 (E) On the left.
1 (F) On the right.
1 (G) from the back.

All six attack him, A retreats back into CC with G.

This puts B, C, and D in front, giving A the +3 bonus.
E and F are on the sides still, so the bonus is only +2.
G is "Behind", A moved into them so the bonus is only +1.

This assumes they all attacked and did not move!

Where are these rules in martial arts? Which pages?

[zoncxs]

Originally Posted by jackcelso

Where are these rules in martial arts? Which pages?

Retreating Options, Page 123-124.

Though Now that I read it again, Your retreating bonus only applies to 1 opponent and all the attacks they through your way. Not against everyone attacking you.