The myth of the fall

[hcobb]

Consider for one moment that there was no great fall.

After all the stories of the fall don't make much sense, a bunch of angels convert at once and then stick around in Heaven without so much as a sunburn?

The first celestial would therefore have started with a single point of Power Investiture, which would make it a demonling. This grew into a demon at some point and was joined by other demons.

Each Prince would operate in one or a few countries and everything was more or less stable until Yves decided to invent selflessness and a universal religion that would be broader than the city-state.

Then all heaven broke loose.

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This has been another work product of the Balseraph Research Orginzation.

[tHEhERETIC]

Originally Posted by hcobb

Consider for one moment that there was no great fall.

After all the stories of the fall don't make much sense, a bunch of angels convert at once and then stick around in Heaven without so much as a sunburn?

The first celestial would therefore have started with a single point of Power Investiture, which would make it a demonling. This grew into a demon at some point and was joined by other demons.

Each Prince would operate in one or a few countries and everything was more or less stable until Yves decided to invent selflessness and a universal religion that would be broader than the city-state.

Then all heaven broke loose.

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This has been another work product of the Balseraph Research Orginzation.

So IOW Celestials are just Ethereals who banded together and developed a Superior-ity complex.

((ducks and runs))

[Rocket Man]

Originally Posted by tHEhERETIC

So IOW Celestials are just Ethereals who banded together and developed a Superior-ity complex.

((ducks and runs))

That's the spirit!

(Ducks, flees the anguished groans of the mob)

[ISNorden]

Originally Posted by Rocket Man

That's the spirit!

(Ducks, flees the anguished groans of the mob)

Of course, there's the alternative possibility in a Symphony like mine--that the oldest "lesser" celestials were neutral by default, and that Good and Evil both had to persuade them to take sides. Would certainly explain why both Heaven and Hell fear anyone "going Gray"; they don't want to be reminded that there was ever a third choice. (Lilith, of course, would have appeared after the Great Division in this alternate history--alternate even from my campaign's viewpoint.)

[JCD]

I'm not sure of his point. The Fall was ether real or it wasn't.

[ladyarcana55]

My question is...

Why the big PR blitz for the Fall? What is the purpose of propagating such a story? I just don't see it.

[Rocket Man]

Originally Posted by JCD

I'm not sure of his point. The Fall was ether real or it wasn't.

Originally Posted by ladyarcana55

My question is...

Why the big PR blitz for the Fall? What is the purpose of propagating such a story? I just don't see it.

And dodging my usual puns for a moment, they hardly stuck around in Heaven with nothing more than a sunburn. There was this little battle ...

It is interesting to think of the effects of the Light of Heaven, though. If indeed the traditional story of the Fall is correct, do we have:

A) The light of Heaven began to burn from the moment they chose to rebel, which perhaps gave Michael his edge in hand-to-hand combat against Lucifer? (And would explain why the rebels of lesser-power chose to flee at his Fall.)

or

B) That the Light began to burn after the demons fled to Hell, as a result of their efforts to push themselves as far away from God as possible? If the latter, then the first time anyone tried a "raid on Heaven" would have been a nasty shock. And every Hellborn demon would be in the same position and suffer the same vulnerability.

Or

C) That the Light is actually Heaven reaching out in an offer to restore the demons to what they once were? That is what a successful Redemption entails, after all -- a demon completely opening themselves to the Light (and an Archangel) without resistance. If that's the case, then the Light burns because the demon's selfish nature is resisting ... the demon is literally destroying themselves in an effort to reject Heaven's mercy.

Just some thoughts. YMMV

[tHEhERETIC]

Originally Posted by Rocket Man

B) That the Light began to burn after the demons fled to Hell, as a result of their efforts to push themselves as far away from God as possible? If the latter, then the first time anyone tried a "raid on Heaven" would have been a nasty shock. And every Hellborn demon would be in the same position and suffer the same vulnerability.

Burning up on re-entry...do I understand you correctly?

You know, the mental imagery on that just hit me when I hit 'send'. Heaven as terrestrial. Hell as deep cold space. The image is bizarro but otherwise quite correct, you think?

[Rocket Man]

Originally Posted by tHEhERETIC

Burning up on re-entry...do I understand you correctly?

You know, the mental imagery on that just hit me when I hit 'send'. Heaven as terrestrial. Hell as deep cold space. The image is bizarro but otherwise quite correct, you think?

Oooh, I like that image! Drifting far from the source of life, wanting to claim it but unable to touch it .... yes, that will work very well.

Of course, you realize this means that all those Hollywood B-movies from the 50s about alien invasion were merely Heaven and Hell planting subliminal messages about the War. ;)

[Acolyte]

The PCs in my campaign witnessed and assisted in a Redemption attempt recently (A Discord-ridden Habbalite of Technology had fallen in love with one of the athletes on whom he was testing new pharmaceutical performance enhancers), and I essentially came to conclusion #3 above--the Light of Heaven and Redemption are pretty much the same thing. The Redemption attempt wasn't working, and Yves (the Redeemer) told the PCs to touch the Habbalite. They were instantly transported to a recreation of Tartarus where the Habbalite was interpreting the Light of Heaven as torture, and the PCs had to convince him to let go of his self-delusions and accept that he had been serving evil and wanted to serve good. He eventually did, and survived the attempt as a very minor Reliever, now purportedly serving Destiny after interrogation by Judgment and Lightning.