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Put these three factors together and I think you could justify a skill of 26 or maybe even more for the best of all time. |
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03-23-2011, 11:46 PM | #23 | |
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3 arguments for why high Chess skill should be more common than high skill at other things? |
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03-24-2011, 12:11 AM | #24 | ||
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Though Purple Haze has still not backed up his claim that 800 is the default adult level. |
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03-24-2011, 12:52 AM | #25 |
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800 for the average adult beginner hass been well observed for a long time. Arpad Elo even mentions it in his book: The Evaluation of Chess Players Past and Present.
It is tough to prove of course since beginners rarely play in tournaments and thus tend not to have ratings. The official USCF and CFC/FCE classes for tournaments are: Code:
Open Expert 2000-2199 Class A 1800-1999 Class B 1600-1799 Class C 1400-1599 Class D 1200-1399 Class E 0-1199 When Elo developed the system a bell curve centered at 1500 roughly represented the members of the USCF at that point in the early 50's. |
03-24-2011, 02:06 AM | #26 |
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*sigh*
While I understand the idea of wanting to peg FIDE scores to actual GURPS skill levels, GURPS is just a game, and certain things are abstracted. In GURPS, a skill level of 14+ makes you an expert, in this case a Master. Higher levels of skill make you a Grand Master, obviously, but you can't tie them in to a FIDE score.....there are many expert players that don't compete in tournaments... And I would peg Kasparov around skill level 22-25, myself.
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03-24-2011, 03:34 AM | #27 |
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Keep in mind the draw, which is quite important for highly skilled players. Elo doesn't give probabilities of winning, but rather expected scores. An expected score of .75 could mean that they have a 75% chance of winning, 25% of losing and 0% of drawing, or it could mean a 50% chance of winning, a 50% chance of drawing and a 0% percent chance of losing.
A regular contest with full normalization is a bad model, especially at the upper end, given the frequency of draws in real chess. The 1984 world championship between Kasparov and Karpov lasted 48 games, with 40 of them draws. |
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03-24-2011, 06:05 AM | #29 |
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Remember also familiarity penalties. I would definitely give them for someone playing an opening he's never played before, for instance.
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03-24-2011, 06:45 AM | #30 | |
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This grates on me, as it happens. The modern world spends vast, vast amounts on education, and puts people in learning positions for far, far longer than earlier times. We are also much closer (not that close, just closer) to a legitimate meritocracy. This suggests that modern skill levels in most fields should be significantly higher than comparable skills pre-mass education. |
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