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Old 01-12-2018, 04:00 PM   #51
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As a complete aside to the thread (which has been fascinating cheers everyone),

Hats off to you Icelander, your dedication and attention to detail for your games is admirable!

Sorry, carry on everyone!
Ah, well, a large part of it is neglecting boring actual work for obsessive attention to hobby minutiae, the last refuge of the Lost Boys who don't want to grow up. ;-)
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Old 01-13-2018, 01:52 AM   #52
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Ah, well, a large part of it is neglecting boring actual work for obsessive attention to hobby minutiae, the last refuge of the Lost Boys who don't want to grow up. ;-)
Hah yes, still credit where credit's due
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Old 01-13-2018, 10:01 AM   #53
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Well, thrash and you have exactly the opposite take on this. Kind of makes it hard for me to decide.
Well, obviously I'd say that thrash is mistaken.

I have another anecdote for you. I was in Germany at the finance office one day when an MP brought I guy in in handcuffs and class A uniform with E4 rank on the sleeves. The finance guy looked up confused and said "Are you still an E4?" At which point the MP looked surprised, scowled at the guy and proceeded to cut the rank insignia off his sleeves right there in the finance office.

So, he was still in the Army, but had had been sentenced as I described: "reduction in rank to E4, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and sentenced to X years of confinement..." They're still in the army as E1 but get no pay, no allowances, and no time credit toward benefits like retirement and whatnot.

Also, yes, my understanding is the USDB Leavenworth is unusually orderly as American prisons go. Back in the bad old days of Vietnam, a drug-addicted Army, and the draft things were certainly different, and a lot of stereotypes about military prisons persist. But nowadays military inmates were at least orderly enough to get into the military in the first place, after all. Yes, there are gang members, ex-gang members, and future-gang members in the military, but they are far from common. So they're rather outnumbered. (And a lot of the gang members in the military are very scrupulous about keeping their noses clean, because they joined the military to get weapons experience to bring back to the gang after their stint is up.)

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Old 01-13-2018, 03:52 PM   #54
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Speaking of prisons, how plausible would it be for a facility - especially one of these high isolation super-max facilities - to have a person listed as being imprisoned without them actually being there?
For example, do federal agencies actually go and audit prisons to check that they have the people they should have or do they just rely on returns from the prison governors?
Obvious applications could be: prisoner has escaped and the prison is covering it up, prisoner died and the prison is covering it up, prisoner managed something in between the previous two (dissolved into goo or otherwise disintegrated or vanished in an unapproved manner) or the prisoner belongs to the same conspiracy as whoever controls the prison (whether as a member or as an asset) and has been released?
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It is possible, though it is more likely if an innocent is smuggled in to take their place in the count. It is highly unlikely that they would listen to a prisoner screaming that they are innocent or the wrong person because there are plenty of innocent people in prison in the USA. Most prosecutors seek convictions, not justice, and most wardens seek to fill bed, not to leave them empty.
It is funny that you should ask this, as the Project Jade Serenity campaign actually opened with Mackenzie Chase Taylor, the PC with a stay at USDB Ft. Leavenworth 2011-2017 in his background, being removed from prison by Onyx Rain, an extremely secret Homeland Security/DoD task force slash conspiracy.

Taylor isn't entirely sure what the authorities at USDB Fort Leavenworth were told, but officially he is still a military prisoner in the custody of the US Army and has almost twenty years left of his sentence at the USDB. Two US Army CID detectives escorted him to Homeland Security headquarters in Washington D.C. and later on, to Portland, ME, where he was to perform a job for Onyx Rain.

In Portland, a Col. Burr of US Army Military Intelligence took custody of him temporarily, or at least that's what Taylor gathered from the interaction between Col. Burr and the two CID men. In practical terms, though, two senior Homeland officials, Townsend, a lawyer who was the aide to the Director of Onyx Rain and Banks, a former Coast Guard officer who appeared to have papers from the Homeland Security Office of the Inspector General, seemed to be in charge of him from then on.

Now, in order to do this, Onyx Rain probably arranged for Taylor to be ordered to be transferred to some other prison from the USDB. But, obviously, he isn't at that other prison. The longer Onyx Rain keeps him, moreover, the better the odds of that becoming a problem if they don't have some way to fix the paperwork.

Assuming Onyx Rain wants Taylor to be available to them for the foreseeable future, but are not willing to have a convicted murderer officially released several years before he could legally become eligable for parole at the earliest (and around 10-15 years before he would realistically get it), they need some way for the paperwork to say that he's still in prison, while he, in actual fact, isn't.
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