What would be the skills to obtain sovereignty?

[Alonsua]

As the title says, the set of complementary and main skills that would be an indispensable requirement for a corporation to reach the status of extraterritoriality and subject of international law is sought.

[whswhs]

Originally Posted by Alonsua

As the title says, the set of complementary and main skills that would be an indispensable requirement for a corporation to reach the status of extraterritoriality and subject of international law is sought.

Complementary skills would only apply if the GM would allow a corporation's officers to make a single skill roll (or Quick Contest) with success (or victory) meaning the corporation was recognized as a sovereign state. I'm not sure that could happen at all in the current state of international law; but in any case, I think a GM who allowed it with one main skill roll, even at enormous penalties, would be insane.

Yes, you can take it as a premise if you want; it's no more extreme than the existence of Cthulhu or the Singularity or superpowered adventurers. But the backstory isn't "somebody made this one skill roll"; it's "this long and improbable series of events took place that would have made a campaign in itself."

Addendum: For example, in Atlas Shrugged, the United States is undergoing economic collapse and cultural decay, and the plot focuses on two characters who come to believe that there's a secret cause behind this and start investigating it—and they're right, in fact; that's the premise of the novel, "the mind on strike." But the prime mover of the collapse didn't make a single skill roll to cause it. In fact, when the novel starts, he's been at work for a decade, and when he started, he didn't know if he would live to see the fulfillment of his plans. You could run a campaign about him and his first two allies (rather than about the people trying to learn who he is and stop him), but it would be a campaign. And if you suppose, as the author did, that his efforts are the backstory, you still need to have a detailed backstory, and not reduce it to "he made his Propaganda roll." (In fact, the protagonists succeed in uncovering nearly all the events of that backstory, but not in seeins how they all fit together.)

[ericthered]

Making the sovereignty reside with the coorporation itself will be hard. You'd have to get a large number of nations to recognize you, which requires public opinion and having a pre-existing claim to some sort of sovereignty.



I'd favor taking over a small country, then moving your headquarters there. Note the order.

[mr beer]

A very good long term strategy, long term stability of the people controlling the corporation and will to succeed in the plan, tight control of the executive arm, the means to keep the plan a secret and a nearly unlimited budget are the factors to consider before moving onto skills IMO.

The exact skills are going to depend on what the plan is, what the corporation structure is and the game world.

Administration and Leadership are required just to run a corporation. Law, multiple disciplines, and Politics will be required to set up any kind of sovereign nation.

If you're plotting a violent coup on some Micronesian island, you will need a different skill set to say, slowly infiltrating the Vatican over a period of decades and installing your own Pope.

Note that the corporation does not need the owners to possess all relevant skills themselves, for example US Presidents order overseas military operations without neccessarily having skills such as Strategy or Guns: Rifle or Soldier or Pilot.

[AlexanderHowl]

I really do not think that there are any skills that would allow a megacorporation to gain sovereignty, just skills that allow them to take advantage of weaknesses in the system. Having lawyers with very high base levels in Law would be a minimum, a base Law skill of 25, in order to take advantage of cracks within the legal system. I would personally inflict a minimum of -20 to skill for any lawyer who was attempting to gain sovereignty for a corporation (-10 for doing something impossible and -10 for doing it fast enough before the legislatures could change the law). In addition, the megacorporation must be large enough that it can keep sovereignty, as it is quite vulnerable without the protection of a government, and important enough not to be banned in every polity on Earth.

It is much easier for a megacorporation to just take over a developing nation by establishing a puppet government and bribing the population in submission. For example, the Comoros has around 800,000 inhabitants and a nominal per capita income of $900. If a megacorporation offered $9,000 per person per year, the Comoros would probably be willing and eager to become the puppet government of the megacorporation. At $7.2 billion per year, it would probably be less than 1% of the annual revenues of the megacorporation.

[Icelander]

Current Affairs (Politics), Economics, Expert Skill (Memetics)*, Expert Skill (Political Science), Intelligence Analysis, Market Analysis, Politics and Propaganda are important, obviously. You'd need many people who had them, so the political influence and campaigns to work on public opinion is not merely coming from a single traceable source, but actually consists of mutually reinforcing memes of different kinds, coming from a wide variety of sources without any connections that can be found.

Many people with high skill levels of Accounting, Administration, Finance and Law would be needed, in order to skirt or circumvent campaign finance laws over a period of many, many years.

The actual political message and the propaganda would require, in addition to the core skills of Politics and Propaganda, a lot of people with high skill in Public Speaking and Writing, as well as social media influencers, who probably use some variety of Current Affairs and possibly other skills, like Artist or Photography, in order to craft their message. Of course, personal one-on-one influence would be done with Diplomacy and other Influence skills.

Mostly, though, keep in mind that you can't just have one person making all the skill rolls. That would mean massive skill penalties that essentially make this impossible for anything but mythological supernatural beings.

Those penalties would be for making it obvious what was going on, instead of being able to present things as natural changes in public opinion, not being orchestrated by anyone. It can't even appear as a grassroots movement, it has to involve a lot of different and apparently independent institutions and media outlets, which don't appear to be pushing the same message at all, but somehow all lead to a final state where politics, public opinion and prevailing legal theory all allow for the change you need.

*Or the campaign world equivalent.

[Celjabba]

Law and politics would be the primary skills required.

Depending on the way you proceed, you will also want experts in some or all of influence (propaganda, public speaking, diplomacy), financial (finance, market analysis), spying (intelligence analysis), covert operations (tactics, computer hacking, leadership) as well as current affair(various).

As complementary skills,
Savoir-faire, sociology, economy, expert skills(political science), administration.

[Donny Brook]

Originally Posted by ericthered

Making the sovereignty reside with the coorporation itself will be hard.

It's fundamentally incompatitble. Being a corporation MEANS being an entity that exists under the terms of statutes created by a state.

[Alonsua]

Originally Posted by Donny Brook

It's fundamentally incompatitble. Being a corporation MEANS being an entity that exists under the terms of statutes created by a state.

It is about the transition from the corporation form to a corporate state.

[Daigoro]

You could say instead that the space station is declaring sovereignty, and not the corp itself.