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If an Advantage comes in levels, it's probably not kosher to take the lowest level and apply Enhancements to it until it is both better and cheaper than the higher level of the Advantage.
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Personally, I've never seen Fortune-Telling rolled by a PC and I wouldn't consider a relative +2 to it remotely worth it for Empathy at 15 points vs. Automatic Success Sensitivity at 13 points.
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Fortunately, any sensible GM would restrict that type of Cosmic modifer to deities who are NPCs only, so it is unlikely to matter in anything but a hypothetical situation. If a GM did allow it, it would likely never come up in their campaign, as 'no roll' means 'no use' in most campaigns. After all, being a perfect lie detector does not matter in campaigns where only the final boss knows the truth and all of their minions are deceived into believing that a lie is the truth.
For example, a shapeshifter could tell her minions that they belong to a secret government organization that is assassinating supers in order to protect the USA from internal threats. The truth, however, is that the shapeshifter is a Russian super who is attempting to kill off supers in the USA so that the USA will become more vulnerable to Russian infiltration. With a modicum of effort, the shapeshifter could have several layers of minions underneath her, so that even the Director of the assassination program does not even know the true identity of the shapeshifter, thinking that she is a member of the Department of Homeland Security. |
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To riff on Detect Lies in simulationist terms, my personal history suggests I have something like a Talent that includes it. I don't know how common or uncommon this may be, but its like a sense for the state of continuity/harmony/completeness in a context (narrative, heirarchy, analytical scenario, whatever). And it is like a sense in that it comes unbidden, and before a conscious reason for it. Sometimes with notable feeling of frisson.
Kromm's description of Detect Lies refers to voice stress and word choices. My experience includes those but also more general 'inconsistency' triggers, which I would say can also be found in and through written and other media. Also it definitely works better, but not solely, in matters where I have more knowledge. Also, it doesn't seem to me that this invokes empathy particularly. Related skills in the Talent set would include: Detect Lies, Propaganda, Intelligence Analysis, Theology, Philosophy, and perhaps others. |
09-13-2018, 11:58 AM | #29 |
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My issue is that people always seem to feel that I am lying due to misleading 'tells', which I ruthlessly exploited as an adolescent when I figured out the phenomenon. I would start by being completely truthful with people for the first six months that I knew them and then start feeding them small lies until I knew they could accept the big lies. By the time that I eventually ran into real trouble because of dozens of conflicting narratives, I had fooled a lot of people concerning practically every aspect of my life.
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