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Re: [Guns] What does accuracy represent?
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I searched around for M249 accuracy and got results ranging from 6 MOA down to 1.5 MOA, depending on the condition of the weapon and the barrel (Most M249s in US service for example are extremely beaten up). HT actually models such issues on HT85 - sustained fire with MG drops it's acc and malf by 2 (acc 5 minimi becomes 3). So, in that sense, FN Minimi is comparable to Remington 700 if it was treated and maintained well from MOA standpoint. Is this a realism issue? Not really, a sniper can use whatever he wants and there are millions of weapon designs with millions of pros and cons. If a sniper chooses Rem 700 over FN Minimi, it means Rem 700 is better for his work, not that it is better overall. If a sniper chooses MINIMI, it also means it's better for his work, but that doesn't mean it's better overall. I won't go into details why it is this and that because it'll be a long post. Is it a balance issue? Not really. Rem 700 costs MUCH less (meaning it can be fine accurate for cheaper), is MUCH lighter, comes in MANY calibers, has LESS ST requirements and LESS BULK. It also has more damage when we compare Minimi's 7.62x51 version with Rem 700 in 7.62x51. In the end, if your players snipe with LMGs, it is not an issue at all from any perspective except personal taste, and GURPS mechanics already provide reasonable drawbacks to doing so without making things unreasonable.
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09-13-2020, 11:10 PM | #62 |
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Re: [Guns] What does accuracy represent?
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09-16-2020, 09:23 AM | #63 | ||
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Re: [Guns] What does accuracy represent?
Ugh, I had the article open for like 2 weeks and when I finally closed it, you ask about it. I'll search around for it and add the link in an edit.
The gist of the article was that in the early 2000s as part of a program to replace M249, a bunch of firearms were gathered from the competitors as potential replacement, including the H&K G36 (Not MG36), Ultimax 100 and Colt AR. They gathered new marines and had them fire each of the weapon across numerous courses. The end result was that M249 behaved similarly, or better than G36 in accuracy department. The internet reports that G36 has MOA of 1.5-3. Other forum posts suggested that their M249 was accurate enough (the 6 MOA number). Noveske also makes AR-15 barrels using M249 specs, which end up performing within 1-1.5 MOA. This data suggests to me that M249 is at best only slightly less accurate than M16 and G36, and this is probably owed to it's open bolt design. Edit: Marine Corps Magazine: Automatic Rifle Concept: Part I—History and Empirical Testing Forum topic of AR-15 users speaking about their experience with Noveske M249-pattern AR15 barrel Quote:
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