09-30-2016, 06:18 PM | #141 |
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Re: bending stereotypes
A Disney Princess that doesn't care one whit about "being herself".
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09-30-2016, 07:30 PM | #142 |
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Re: bending stereotypes
Wasn't that the point of original Romeo And Juliet? Youthful passions led to so much death and idiocy. Letting things be or slow diplomatic voices could have helped so darn much in that volatile city.
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09-30-2016, 07:46 PM | #143 | |
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Disney is Disney. I'd say that some non-Disney fictions did great with bending Princess tropes. Shrek's Fiona springs to mind. Beauty and the Beast that doesn't castrate the moral in the final act. It would be a rather hard sell to modern audiences to make subjugation of one's self interest and freedom for the greater good the moral.
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09-30-2016, 08:45 PM | #144 | |
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Aside from that, it would be hard to make a movie if the camera crew is lounging about because that is being themselves. To be fair, Mulan was protecting her father not being herself.
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09-30-2016, 09:19 PM | #145 |
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I agree. Too often it's used as an excuse to be a jerk and attacking those complaining about said jerkish behavior.
Why be yourself, when you can try to be just a little better? But that leads into the Young Adult fiction trope of destiny. Who need work ethic, time, or skill when fate will just make everything happen for you? At least older fiction gave us a short training montage even if that would of course be woefully inadequate. Now we just get some confidence epiphany and sudden explosion of ability not once hinted at.
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09-30-2016, 10:57 PM | #146 |
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10-01-2016, 08:28 AM | #148 |
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And Norman Rockwell.
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10-01-2016, 08:36 AM | #149 | |
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Of course the Disney version was not very much like Medieval China. But then King Arthur probably did not wear plate armor either. And the Trojan War probably did not start because three goddesses got into a beauty contest and Aphrodite won.
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How the heck does one tell an appealing story with that as its theme? Emphasize the personal effort, I suppose, and of course the reward at the end. Acknowledge but don't dwell on the family support and the sacrifices on the way there. |
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