06-09-2018, 09:38 PM | #11 |
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Re: One Last Shot missile attack
Jim's compromise seems reasonable to me too.
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06-09-2018, 10:53 PM | #12 |
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Re: One Last Shot missile attack
I don't think you should be forced to drop a missile weapon after your last shot.
It's a separate issue, but I also don't think you should be forced to fall to the ground and drop weapons other than a dagger in HTH. But perhaps that's a discussion for another day and another thread! |
06-09-2018, 11:19 PM | #13 | |
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I will say that some fighting systems seek to close and throw to the ground, and even inadvertently many fights end up there rather quickly. Boxing matches often show this, as when they tie up they have to be separated by the ref, or it becomes wrestling! And if you have seen many high school fights, it's often one-two and down to the ground. |
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06-10-2018, 01:26 AM | #14 |
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Re: One Last Shot missile attack
My understanding of the HTH rules was always that it meant the two opponents have gone to the ground with one another and are rolling around hitting and stabbing at one another on the ground. Everything related to HTH in TFT agrees with that interpretation.
Of note, every martial art I've studied has taught techniques for both standing fisticuffs (which includes kicking) AND techniques for going to the ground with your opponent (kumi uchi leg presses, anyone?) So to my mind, Unarmed combat involves two opponents engaged in your classic martial arts or boxing (which IS a martial art) fighting, while HTH involves getting down and dirty on the ground trying to eye-gouge, bite ears, and generally commit personal mayhem while rolling around in the dirt. |
06-10-2018, 05:52 PM | #15 |
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06-10-2018, 06:09 PM | #16 | ||
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(Personally as a detail maniac, in my games I'd give fiddly odds for what exactly happens, but that's not what I was suggesting for the base TFT rule.) Quote:
It seems really clear to me that the rule comes from original Melee, which was trying to explain to new folks in as few words as possible, and didn't want to have to elaborate. If Melee didn't say you had to drop your bow, people would think they could just stand and fight with a bow against people with swords (many computer games and some Hollywood films allow this, even though it shouldn't work out), so you'd need to add more text about that. But in an RPG context, it's good to not have to tell players they have to drop their bow, though they also shouldn't be able to reload and fire it while being attacked. I could see the exact rule/wording being a few different variations, but I'd think something like: No reloading or firing missile weapons while engaged except for the last shot on the turn they become engaged. |
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06-10-2018, 06:29 PM | #17 | |
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If *may* were employed in place of *must*, the sentence under (i) would then inform what the player can do, or not, with their bow; whereas, the sentence under (m), remaining as written, and when chosen, serves to inform what the player has elected to do with their bow - two significantly different states - with one (i) stating what a player could do (potential) and (m) what they are specifically doing (actual). In other words, use both. Does that suggestion not solve the issue of eliminating the obligation of being forced to drop the missile weapon, and achieve your goal of putting the option to defend with same, back in the hands of the players? If not, I am failing to see how the problem would remain unsolved, and the goal not achieved. Would you clarify, if that is the case? JK Last edited by Jim Kane; 06-14-2018 at 08:20 PM. Reason: Typo |
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06-11-2018, 12:17 PM | #18 | |
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06-12-2018, 01:04 AM | #19 | |
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Further, the term "figure" was used for notable persons in common speech for much of the 20th, and most of the 18th and 19th centuries. |
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06-14-2018, 12:25 PM | #20 | |
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It does lessen my tactic of making illusions of flying creatures and having them fly behind the enemy lines to specifically engage the archers and make them drop their magically enhanced bows. Respectfully, Tolenkar |
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