more than one 1/2 damage range?

[RogerBacon]

I'm thinking I want to design a weapon/attack that has several damage bands instead of just full/half. If I end up making this as a power what would be the value of such a change? If you look at a typical innate attack with range 10/100 and change it to 10/anything/100 then its obviously a limitation since you are decreasing damage but how much of a limitation?
Has anyone done anything like this?

[gilbertocarlos]

I've made plans to change 1/2D to -1/die, at more bands.
So, a bow becomes x5/x20.
Is it more than x5? -1/die.
more than x5x2(x10), -2/die
more than x5x3(x15) is -3/die

[DouglasCole]

Originally Posted by gilbertocarlos

I've made plans to change 1/2D to -1/die, at more bands.
So, a bow becomes x5/x20.
Is it more than x5? -1/die.
more than x5x2(x10), -2/die
more than x5x3(x15) is -3/die

I did effectively this in The Deadly Spring as an option. I quite like it for some projectiles.

[vierasmarius]

It's not too hard to give Innate Attacks range "increments" beyond 1/2D. You can just apply Increased / Reduced Range to part of the damage. For example, throwing x1/5 Max Range on half of an attack's damage gives an attack with 1/2D 10yd, 1/4D 20yd, Max 100yd, for a limitation value of -5% overall. You can reverse that, putting x5 Max Range on half the attack, for 1/2D 10yd, 1/4D 100yd, Max 500yd, for +5%.

[RogerBacon]

Originally Posted by DouglasCole

I did effectively this in The Deadly Spring as an option. I quite like it for some projectiles.

Thanks. I'll look into that.

Originally Posted by vierasmarius

It's not too hard to give Innate Attacks range "increments" beyond 1/2D. You can just apply Increased / Reduced Range to part of the damage. For example, throwing x1/5 Max Range on half of an attack's damage gives an attack with 1/2D 10yd, 1/4D 20yd, Max 100yd, for a limitation value of -5% overall. You can reverse that, putting x5 Max Range on half the attack, for 1/2D 10yd, 1/4D 100yd, Max 500yd, for +5%.

You are correct. Now that you have jogged my memory, I recall doing that in the past. Thanks.

[gilbertocarlos]

Originally Posted by DouglasCole

I did effectively this in The Deadly Spring as an option. I quite like it for some projectiles.

Seems like we both had the same idea.

However, it still gives far too big numbers for my taste, because you only get -1/die(71.4% of damage) when the sqrt of the kinetic energy is equal to 71.4% of the original sqrt of the kinetic energy.
I think it's flawed because if the sqrt of the kinetic energy is 75% of the original, it still counts as full damage. IMO, it should be rounded to the nearest number. So, if it's less than 85%, it should be already -1/die, less than 60% already -2/die etc...

[Anthony]

In terms of limitation values, the simple way to model this is to start by reducing Max to 1/2D (-15% -- combination of reduced range 3 -30%, increased 1/2D 3 +15%) and then buying increased range on the amount of damage you want to continue out to longer ranges (so if you want increased range 3 on half your damage, that's +30% on half damage, or +15% -- exactly the same as RAW)

If an attack does full damage at 10 yards, 3/4 damage at 20 yards, 1/2 damage at 50 yards, and 1/4 damage at 100 yards, that works out to:
Reduce Range 3 (-30%)
Increased 1/2D 3 (+15%)
Increased Range 1 on 75% (+7.5%)
Increased Range +1 on 50% (+5%)
Increased Range +1 on 25% (+2.5%)
Total +0%.

[Peter Knutsen]

Originally Posted by RogerBacon

I'm thinking I want to design a weapon/attack that has several damage bands instead of just full/half. If I end up making this as a power what would be the value of such a change? If you look at a typical innate attack with range 10/100 and change it to 10/anything/100 then its obviously a limitation since you are decreasing damage but how much of a limitation?
Has anyone done anything like this?

I think it's GURPS WWII that talks about introducing a 3/4 or 1/4 damage range, in addition to the normal 1/2 damage range, in order to be able to get even just slightly close to simulating authentic tank cannon armour penetration capabilities.

[DouglasCole]

Originally Posted by gilbertocarlos

Seems like we both had the same idea.

However, it still gives far too big numbers for my taste, because you only get -1/die(71.4% of damage) when the sqrt of the kinetic energy is equal to 71.4% of the original sqrt of the kinetic energy.
I think it's flawed because if the sqrt of the kinetic energy is 75% of the original, it still counts as full damage. IMO, it should be rounded to the nearest number. So, if it's less than 85%, it should be already -1/die, less than 60% already -2/die etc...

That's a good way to handle it, by hitting the midpoint.