10-04-2013, 11:08 AM | #41 | ||
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Re: grappling a flier
With due respect, you are not reading what I am writing. Please re-read. To summarize in response to two points:
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ST = HP = 2 × Cube Root (Weight in lbs.)You can invert that to get: Weight in lbs. = (ST/2)^3Thus, when a ST roll is a completely passive way of representing bulk, ST 200 approximates the effects of gravity pulling on the person, which is a counterforce acting against Flight, as surely as Clinging or opposing Flight would be. Quote:
In short, if someone has ST 200 and weighs one ton: Any Active Use of ST: ST 200In a supers game, it's generally very useful to calculate these scores for each character: ST + Lifting ST: Used actively in grapples. Used passively when movement advantages or powers that grant ST are switched on.Supers may choose weight freely. If weight isn't commensurate with ST and HP, though, the GM has to bear this in mind. Very low weight-based ST/HP relative to actual ST will mean being picked up more easily, but also taking less damage in collisions, jumping much farther, and being less affected by high gravity. Very high weight-based ST/HP relative to actual ST will mean being harder to pick up, but also taking more damage in collisions and being easily crushed by high gravity. Above, "movement advantages" means things like Clinging, Flight, Super Jump, and Tunneling. "Powers that grant ST" is more abstract; it means the character has ST out of whack with his very low mass, usually thanks to an invisible force such as chi, elemental earth powers, psychokinesis, or being the god of war.
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10-04-2013, 11:23 AM | #42 | |
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Re: grappling a flier
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ST 1 vs ST 2 becomes -20 vs -11 (9 point difference) ST 5 vs ST 10 becomes 1 vs 10 (9 point difference) ST 10 vs ST 20 becomes 10 vs 19 (9 point difference) ST 100 vs ST 200 becomes 40 vs 49 (9 point difference) |
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10-04-2013, 11:31 AM | #43 | |
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I suppose it would be much more convenient if the whole ST thing was based on the Speed/Range Table somehow. Kinda like in EABA. |
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10-04-2013, 11:33 AM | #44 | ||
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Resisting such being a Passive Use of ST Representing Mass Alone? Last edited by Ack; 10-04-2013 at 11:40 AM. |
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10-04-2013, 11:37 AM | #45 | |||
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The flying character here isn't being ****** out of anything; rather, someone is trying to cheese the rules to let ST 60 pick up 1,000,000 lbs. If his victim weighs 1/500 what he should, then it's no longer cheesy . . . but then his victim should also get his points' worth out all that ST. Normally, that ST provides mass and near-invulnerability to being picked up, but if it doesn't, then it instead provides super-leaping, innate resistance to gravity, and reduced injury in slams. It's either/or; if high ST provides neither mass nor these other effects, then it needs a deep discount for being near-worthless, and it's the ST 200 guy who's being ****** if he doesn't get that.
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10-04-2013, 11:47 AM | #46 | |
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10-04-2013, 11:53 AM | #47 |
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Re: grappling a flier
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Can anyone figure out for me some guidelines for how odd combinations of weight and Strength relate? The example I am thinking of is a small woman, 150cm, who is exceptionally strong ST 15, but not super exceptional in either. Hmm...Skinny and Over Weight seem to cover this sort of.
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10-04-2013, 11:53 AM | #48 | |
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Personally, I don't see my character attempting to pick up the NPC as being cheesy, when I ask "How much does he weigh?" and the GM says, "A bit over one ton." You weigh what you weigh. I am personally in tune with the "ST for Leaping" optional rule (although it produces some AWESOME destruction if pushed too far). But seriously, choosing one's weight happens at character creation. If the player gets to say "My character weighs this much" regardless of ST or HT (both of which I personally think contribute to weight in the real world) then if his 50 lb character gets picked up and slung around all the time, or if his 350 pound blob has trouble getting through doors - it's no-one's fault but his. You pick the weight you want, and you live with the consequences. And if it means that you are light enough to be flown away with when you Grapple someone, then so be it. Alternatively, if it means that you are too heavy for some footbridges, therein lies a problem also. Being light is not always a penalty; being heavy is not always a bonus. You buy the ST, you get the ability to pick up small trucks, or always being able to open that stubborn pickle jar; you also get HP (because you paid for it) and the ability to punch the average mecha's lights out. But if you choose to have ST of 200 and to weigh in at one ton, then you get the bonuses and penalties of weighing one ton. There should be no 'extra compensation' for choosing that weight. No-one forced it on you. I understand GURPS to be a generic system. Can we please keep it that way? |
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10-04-2013, 12:00 PM | #49 |
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Re: grappling a flier
So wait; if I get this right, you are indeed stating that if the heavy character has no movement powers (he doesn't) and if he has no specific power to give him weird types of ST (based on Hulk) then ...
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10-04-2013, 12:00 PM | #50 | |
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Up to 91 lbs.: Effective ST 8 for resisting being picked up.All of this is irrespective of bought-and-paid-for ST.
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