10-07-2017, 08:52 AM | #71 | |
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One of the comments on this article raises a good point. Water surface and air travel are essentially free of obstructions, but submarine travel would have you quite regularly driving through schools of tuna and whale pods, of which you have limited vision or sensor ability to pick up at sufficient maneuvering range. These could surely be alleviated at TL10, but it's not a problem that high-speed surface ships need to worry about.
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10-07-2017, 11:30 AM | #72 |
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Re: [Ultra-Tech] What would naval warfare at TL10 look like?
Based on all of the foregoing discussion, I am of the view that you need to understand the orbital theatre to know what to make of the surface theatre.
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10-07-2017, 12:35 PM | #73 |
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There's a good likelihood that that's the first place military railguns will be used, seeing as the USN has been working on doing so.
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At late TL9 and into TL10, you also have possible manned spacecraft in orbit that are unable to perform re-entry but are capable of precision orbital strikes on a structure as small as a cabin, and possibly even the low-tech outhouse or porta-potty. Of course, there is also the option of saturated strikes against an area.
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10-07-2017, 01:18 PM | #75 | |
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VE2 understates the weight/performance of solid fuel rockets at TL6-7, as far as I can tell, but also radically underestimates the performance of TL6-7 torpedoes in general. I'd like to think those two values balance out, but maybe not. Still, a Shkval has a 5-9 mile range; a Mk 48 torpedo has at least twice the range, a 50% larger warhead, and is 2.5m shorter and presumably lighter. Whether VE2 is exacdly right or not, supercavitating shortens your range a lot and possibly wrecks your stealth during the sprint. I wouldn't bet on a TL10 version of either torpedo getting through an underwater blue-green PD laser array.
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10-07-2017, 04:17 PM | #77 | |
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When you're supercavitating you're making so much noise that you may deafen the enemy sonar operators and/or flood microphones so that it's harder to pinpoint your exact position, but that's the only thing in your favour. It's absolutely not a stealthy weapon. Nobody really knows; they've never been deployed beyond small-scale experiments. Ultra-Tech is more recent than VE so will presumably have been using more recent data. Current tech is developing counter-torpedo torpedoes; the main problem is ammunition supply. So there's an obvious incentive to get an anti-torpedo laser working.
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10-07-2017, 04:51 PM | #78 |
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Poor. At best, use the UT numbers.
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10-07-2017, 11:53 PM | #79 | |
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http://panoptesv.com/SciFi/LaserDeathRay/Visible.html If the water has stuff in it, the distance the beam will travel is lower. You can estimate how far the beam will go by figuring out how far you can see before stuff in the water starts to look noticeably dimmed. This is roughly how far the beam will go before it is significantly attenuated. For example, I was kayaking on the Yakima river today while salmon fishing. I could see the bottom when it was about a meter down, but not at two meters depth. In the Yakima river under those conditions, you could expect the blue-green laser to lose half of its power for every 1 to 2 meters it travels through the water. In practice, high powered lasers might have worse performance. The threshold for self-focusing and filamentation is significantly lower in water compared to air. A high intensity beam at tight focus (or after undergoing self-focusing) could evaporate the water, forming bubbles that scatter the beam. If you want a point defense beam weapon for underwater use, consider a high powered sonar beam. This might be able to collapse a super-cavitating bubble (with rather disastrous effects on the high speed torpedo relying on the bubble), and could cause cavitation bubbles when the beam is at tight focus. Cavitation bubbles collapse so violently that they can chew through metal, which would make it useful against non-super-cavitating torpedos. Luke |
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