10-11-2014, 06:01 PM | #11 |
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Re: [Basic] Skill of the week: Camouflage
From my interpretation of the RAW, if you roll a critical success, you've camouflaged yourself so well that opponents have a "permanent" -1 to see you - and thus hit you in combat - even after you've been seen and spotted. Basically, your margin of success remains their penalty to spot you, and if they succeed despite that penalty they've only spotted a rough outline of you, and not you directly. Therefore, they still have a -1 to see what you're doing and hit you in combat. But that "permanent" penalty only applies while you remain in that one spot you hid and camouflaged yourself in. As soon as you move, it's a new roll to hide again, and thus it's gone.
Personally, I view this as roughly the same of "knowing position within 1 yard" which is normally translated into a -4 penalty when we're talking darkness or invisibility type effects. So knowing where someone is standing because you see his cigarette give you a -4, and knowing that he's in that bush and "I can sorta see him" gives you a -1. Is that balanced? Should they both be -4? I don't know. I've been using the -1, but I have to say a critical success on Camouflage hasn't come up often in my games... and when they do, the PC haven't been spotted so it was a moot point. |
10-11-2014, 10:10 PM | #12 |
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Re: [Basic] Skill of the week: Camouflage
I remember seeing a show on a sniper school, I forget if it was US or British military. The trainees final exam involved on shot then an instructor moved to within 10 yards of you. If the targets spotted you before you got a second clean shot in you failed. That was using ghillie suits. The extra time bonus probably applies in many cases, there was also a discussion of crossing open ground where they might allocate 5-6 hours for 100 yard stretch.
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10-12-2014, 11:18 AM | #13 | |
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Re: [Basic] Skill of the week: Camouflage
Reading some of the comments, the following seemed relevant:
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I'd actually be tempted to increase specific hit location penalties, or just require rolling it at random, but that is me.
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10-12-2014, 02:16 PM | #14 |
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Re: [Basic] Skill of the week: Camouflage
If anyone has access to the old Pyramid archives then this article will be of help.
http://www.sjgames.com/pyramid/sample.html?id=5603
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10-12-2014, 03:36 PM | #15 | |
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Re: [Basic] Skill of the week: Camouflage
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10-13-2014, 01:49 PM | #16 | |
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Re: [Basic] Skill of the week: Camouflage
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Camouflage is intended to fool someone who's looking for something odd, either because that's what he's there for, or because he got some clue that something was wrong, like noise from a failed Stealth roll. It doesn't work while you're moving, you use Stealth for that. When you stop, someone who's looking for you has to beat your Camouflage in a quick contest with his Vision to spot you. Lots of modifiers to the Vision roll are listed in the article, ones that I haven't tagged as 4e are new to it AFAIK.
If the person looking wins the quick contest by less than 5, his attacks on you are at -1 in addition to all other modifiers. |
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10-13-2014, 02:12 PM | #17 |
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Re: [Basic] Skill of the week: Camouflage
As you saw in my house rules, I reversed this. I changed the default In Plain Sight bonus to +6 instead of +10, and then give a +4 if you concentrate. I did this because I assume in many situations (most ambushes, surprises, etc.) the people aren't specifically looking for the ambush, so, at least in my games, the +6 is used more often than the +10. Plus, it makes it compatible with combat, specifically requiring a Concentrate maneuver to get the +4.
If adapting this to 4E, I'd just replace this with the Complementary Skill rules. +1 on success, +2 on critical success, and -1 on critical failure. |
10-13-2014, 02:14 PM | #18 | |
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