10-24-2007, 08:21 AM | #1 |
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dual attack + Deceptive attack
Is this legal? It seems with the -1 from a dual attack and the accumulation of parry modifiers you could have a nigh un-parryable attack by using deceptive attack in conjunction with a dual attack (assuming the target just parries).
I have searched the forums and books. I have only found one blurb regarding extra attack used with dual that said something along the lines of "all other attacks after the dual attack must be simple attacks". Also is it possible to have a combination dual attack? Where you use targeted attack (as per MA) at two targets on one defender? Or is Dual simply meant to be two general torso shots? Thanks for any clarity on these. |
10-24-2007, 09:44 AM | #2 | |
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10-24-2007, 10:26 AM | #3 | |||
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1. You only get out what you put in. With the -4 for DWA and another -2, say, for a Deceptive Attack, you're at -6 to hit. Unless you're adept with off-hand weapons, one strike has an extra -4, for a net -10, so your average penalty is -8. Meanwhile, your foe defends at -2 (-1 for the DWA, another -1 for the Deceptive Attack), which is like defending at -4 to skill. So you've just cut your own skill down six and 10 notches -- eight levels on average -- to bump your foe's skill down by four. This isn't exactly a munchkin powerplay. You could buy off the -4 for DWA for 5 points and get the OHWT perk for another point, and make two Deceptive Attacks at -2 to skill and -2 on your foe's defenses, but then you've spent six more points on special tricks. Your foe, given those six points, could get Shield at DX+1 [2], buy Dual-Weapon Defense for both his weapon [2] and shield [2], and negate your DWA defense penalty with his DWD whilst getting shield DB larger than your Deceptive Attack defense penalty; frankly, this is why two weapons generally lose out to weapon-and-shield. 2. Your foe can stack up defense bonuses, too. He can get bonuses for some combination of Cross Parry, Defensive Attack or All-Out Defense, Defensive Grip, Feverish Defense, retreating, and a shield -- possibly many or most of these at once! He can also limit your ability to take your tricky shot by using a defensive feint. Thus, there's an arms race between effects that improve defenses and those that erode them. It isn't one-sided by any means . . . but if it favors anyone, it's nominally the defender. Quote:
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10-25-2007, 02:49 PM | #4 |
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Re: dual attack + Deceptive attack
Thanks for the responses, I was shortchanging the points in my mind regarding a defender who spent as much on his defense as a Dual weapon guy does to get good (the 6 points for no neg mod and the perk).
Putting it in these point terms makes alot more sense for me. It seemed for a moment a dual weapon blitzer who buys off the negative mods would be hard to stop. I never thought to buy up defenses against him. Thanks, cleared it right up for me. I missed the two weapon thing on pg 80, appreciate the point-out. |
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