07-23-2008, 10:56 PM | #41 | |
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So back then they may have higher demand, but much more difficult production costs. Today we have low demand but less difficult production. *shrug* It might work out in the wash, or it might not. But on the other hand, a lot of the actual construction of the armour is done very similar to period - a skilled guy with a hammer. Last edited by Gavynn; 07-23-2008 at 11:04 PM. |
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07-23-2008, 11:03 PM | #42 | |
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07-23-2008, 11:38 PM | #43 | |
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07-23-2008, 11:49 PM | #44 | |
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it would be best to look at mail, scale and lamellar as to what would be found in the outfit of most knights. Especially when these armors were not only mass produced but are the most common knightly armor. When you look at plate your looking at a very tiny fraction of men at arms and knights, compared to looking at mail, scale and lamellar that include men at arms from the whole world. |
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07-24-2008, 12:55 AM | #45 | ||
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This is pretty much TL8 machine made. It's rolled. I doubt a hammer ever touches it. It even comes in M, L, and XL. :-) I guess some people will argue that it is far superior to a period breastplate and thus is double the DR or half the cost like it indicates in High-Tech, but I'd have another word for it - cheap - and assign it some penalties. Quote:
Trained Warhorse: $5,000 (from Basic Set) Hauberk - I'll price at a $1,000 to make it long sleeved with mufflers and integral coif. But this would be for reproduction riveted mail. You can get welded titanium mail around, and as per High-Tech that should cost 5x, so $5,000 for your Hauberk, that now weighs in at 1/3 of historic weight. Mail Chauses - Harder to get for sure. Might have to be a custom order. I'll put you at $750 for the medieval version and five times that for the welded titanium if that is what you want. Gambeson: I'll put you at $400. Shoes and Hosen, etc.: I'll go $300. Sword: Pick up one from Albion for $800 Dagger - also picked up from Albion (if they make them, I could not really find one on the site) lets say $450 Spear: Uck, don't know who actually makes good spears today. My girlfriend game me a spear head from Museum Replicas for Christmas once. It is mass produced, but I'd be hesitant to go into combat with it. They make a lot of wall-hanger and movie prop stuff. So I'd say you could have one for $50, but it'd be cheap, so be careful. Saddle - I'll give you for less than the Historic Enterprises one since we are going back in period, but I don't think you want a modern riding saddle. Lets say for $3,000 you can get made what you need for saddle and the rest of the gear. So where does that leave us? Much cheaper than with the plate that is for sure. For the medieval variety, you are looking at about $12,000. If you want to take advantage of the titanium mail, I think you are going to be pushing $16,000 or $17,000. But either way your horse is left unprotected which has the potential to be an expensive loss. And either way, you'd need to be Wealthy to outfit yourself thusly on your adventuring part of your starting cash, instead of being Very Wealthy. So sure, you can do it cheaper, but that would be expected, but you can't do it and be Struggling, for example. But your right, this does not work if you are in TL8 society where Old Navy is producing S, M, and L gambesons you can buy off their rack. Maybe in that world Struggling college students would be able to outfit themselves as a knight much easier. Eh, i thought it was an interesting exercise. Last edited by Gavynn; 07-24-2008 at 01:29 AM. |
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07-24-2008, 01:08 AM | #46 |
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Men ... there's nothing such a mass produced plate armour.
If a plate armour is meant to be of some use it must be specifically crafted to tailor the wearer body.
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07-24-2008, 01:26 AM | #47 | |
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For a CP you get back a 10%(Y) of the campaign starting money. Thus you can state that a trait that costs X CP increases the base cost of the horse by +X*Y.
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07-24-2008, 04:06 AM | #48 |
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Re: Horses, encumbrance and travelling speed
You can mass produce helmets and cuirasses. They did it in the past - it was called munitions plate. But if you want a properly articulated full plate harness then it has to be custom made and custom fitted.
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07-24-2008, 05:13 AM | #49 | |
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These are not the best prices for the average joe medieval buff. But again, a wannabe knight with a budget can be find interesting ways to cheapen the cost with TL8's global market. Going back to horses, as it appears in most of the price references, it seems that the horse will always be the more expensive tool of the knight. No wonder only filthy rich to very wealthy knights can afford to attack horses. Other man at arms may need the horse to pay for expenses for the whole campaign. No wonder it was regarded as dishonorable to strike at an opponents horse. |
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07-24-2008, 09:41 AM | #50 | |
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Modern riot armor is another instance. Granted, it's plastic in most cases (or aluminium or titanium) but it would be a very small thing (technologically speaking) to stamp the plates in aircraft grade titanium if you wanted. No doubt it would be incredibly inexpensive to smash out 10,000 suits like that, as compared to having a one-off made. There's just no need and no market for that type of thing (yet!). So, it's still comparing TL3 production to TL3+5 artisans. Apples to oranges. |
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