09-03-2019, 10:15 AM | #21 | |
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09-03-2019, 10:21 AM | #22 |
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Re: Video of arrows vs. armor using period materials
While all of the discussion is true, I would point out that this is not how longbow archers were used i.e: they were artillery, not sniper rifles.
Archers fired thousands of arrows, around 36 times 6,000, so this wasn't about precision shooting, rather covering the enemy in a rain of arrows. So yes, arrows don not penetrate good armour, but thousands of blows will render knights ineffective as they traverse 300 yards of open ground.
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Hit probability of firing at a mass of people is not great (though we don't know how they were spaced so it's hard to tell just how bad, and it varies with angle), but the general final decision of that video is "the way you defeat armor with bows is shooting lots of arrows". |
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09-03-2019, 12:28 PM | #24 | |
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09-03-2019, 08:00 PM | #25 |
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Which makes sense. If you're trying to see what might have happened on a real battlefield, there's no point in trying the heaviest bow we've ever found. All of the thousands of archers on the field weren't using the biggest bow. Knowing what was typical is a more interesting question for this case than knowing the best case that might possibly ever have happened.
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09-03-2019, 09:00 PM | #26 |
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I suspect that which bow the bowman owned in the preferred range also made a difference.
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09-05-2019, 09:21 AM | #27 |
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After a certain point, you‘re also damaging the bow and the string; possibly with unpleasant results. You don‘t shoot a flimsy arrow from a strong bow.
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09-05-2019, 04:53 PM | #28 | |
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Which tends to imply that the bowmen used higher draw bows, practiced more, and/or were already practicing heavily at younger ages. The latter is almost certain, and the second tends to be often believed. The data is unavailable to determine if the higher bows are required for the levels seen. Given the stated ranges for artillery fire, it's quite plausible that 150 lb was the average, and that 200 may have been either +1σ or +2σ, rather than the +3σ or more. Given that the archer had a higher pound bow, it would be interesting to see the difference. Especially on the fragmentation of the shafts. |
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