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08-08-2011, 05:07 AM | #12 | |||
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08-08-2011, 05:43 AM | #13 | |
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Also, seconding doulos05's comments. All target silhouettes I've seen center the headshot mark in an area I'd call the face, not the skull, in GURPS terms. And in battlefield reports I've heard, marksmen aim for the sinus area (nose or eyes). It stands to reason that the face is the real target of the head-shot, not the skull.
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08-08-2011, 09:35 AM | #14 | |||
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My point with AoA is that these guys weren't using MandA, they were using AoA instead. MandA is a guy who is running flat out and shooting wildly in the approximate direction of the bad guy (which is why skill is capped at 9). AoA is walking quickly but steadily with the gun shouldered and some slight attention paid to the sights. |
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08-08-2011, 02:38 PM | #15 | |
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Either way, you also have the fact that this is a training environment where the cadres had practiced, knew the lay of the room and the distances involved, and so forth. Obviously, that's not real combat. Consider applying positive Task Modifiers, from +1 to +10 for those sorts of situations. I wouldn't apply this to students, mind, but to cadre, as a part of their familiarity with the range and the drill, yes this is easier. One key function of good firearms training is changing drills so that no one learns to game the system. If someone is gaming the system, they are using TDMs. I can also tell you that loud noises, such as shooting and flashbangs tend to rattle folks, and thus their perception of time may be off. Did your observer mention a shot clock? |
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08-08-2011, 02:51 PM | #16 |
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Honestly the exercise seems unlikely to actually have occurred in that fashion. Most commanders aren't going to sign off on a training ORA that involves a strong likelihood of blue-on-blue; especially as a stunt to wow the trainees. My guess is that it's a lot more controlled than described.
Why? There's no reason to assume this, and every reason to assume not to. In every CQB course I've done, we were trained to shoulder our weapons and fire aimed shots (real life "aimed"; so GURPS sighted). AoA (Determined) is much more appropriate here. |
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08-08-2011, 06:04 PM | #18 | |||
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But since that information isn't available, I'm coming at this in the opposite direction. 1.) Is is plausible that, given the circumstances and the training, these phenomenal Operators could indeed fire exactly enough shots to put two rounds into each Tango, and not miss a single shot? If we are talking about a Guns skill of 18+, then I would bet the answer is "Yes". 2.) Is that a realistic level of training, considering the types of operations that Delta can and has been called on to perform? Again, I think "Yes." Think about it. These guys train to breach and clear aircraft that are filled with hostages. You cannot afford a miss. It's just WAY too risky in a hostage situation. You HAVE to be able to do, repeatedly, at least 90% of the time. If you cannot be THAT reliable in the execution of that task, then you might as well just frag the whole room and claim collateral damage. Quote:
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08-08-2011, 06:19 PM | #19 | |||
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Yes, you need to be a performer to pass Delta selection. And probably, if you aren't considered Delta-material by your chain of command, you won't even get a shot. Delta does pick up the best of the best, but it doesn't limit it's recruiting to only top tier units. Quote:
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08-08-2011, 06:31 PM | #20 | |
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