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Old 02-13-2018, 07:09 PM   #1231
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If the Boardgame subreddit is anything to go by, the market these days is so chocked full of new games that people are more focused on collecting "the newest shiniest" game that they will probably play once, then getting anything thats been out for a while.
And the implications of this are rather horrid. It means that if you donít make your entire target profitability on the kick starter and first printing of the game, thatís all thereís going to be. Sure, there might be rare exceptions, but the market seems to be one and done. At least for the time being.
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Old 02-13-2018, 07:14 PM   #1232
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Sure, there might be rare exceptions, but the market seems to be one and done. At least for the time being.
Yup. We've canceled a couple of planned reprints because the sales curve looked like Half Dome -- big sales early and then right off the cliff.
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Old 02-13-2018, 08:05 PM   #1233
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Sort of like video games, with Call of Duty is a good example, they sell on release riding on that hype factor, then see a massive drop off in sales from that. Then work is all focused on building the hype for the next Call of Duty release next year to make more money.

I dont think its anything like video games. Other than they are both games and both sold.


I look at video games from five years ago and there's the actual same games being played today like League of Legends, World Of Warcraft, DoTA and so on that rely on subscriptions or micro transactions.


No equivalent in modern boardgames. (Not to mention people play these games for thousands of hours vs maybe a dozen for a successful boardgame)

Then there's the Call of Duty types games like Battlefront that rely on loot boxes. Their economic model isn't based on the hype building up all year for the next shiny game its based on mico transactions often labelled as gambling.

There is no equivalent in boardgames.

Also Counterstrike has been updated a couple of times but it's the same game people are playing over and over again every day for hours and hours without buying a newer and shinier game at all.

There is no boardgame today that has that sort of longevity.



Then there's Steam games that have a tremendous long tail of sales as I amd other discover new games every year from years ago.

Still some long tail in some boardgames, but sounds like its alive and well in computer games.


That's leaving aside that with digital distribution computer games look more like Drive Thru RPG and W23 digital than they do conventional retail.



Also leaves aside that the cost to produce a CoD is massive as compared to say the cost of producing a blockbuster board game (about the same as any other boardgame).

Not to mention the rise of esports which is bigger than anything in board and card games (even Magic) in terms of viewership.


So no I think that it is nothing at all like video games.

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Old 02-13-2018, 10:56 PM   #1234
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I cannot help but wonder if publishing DFRPG adventures wouldn't increase rule set sales. If people like the "fluff" then they will buy the "crunch"?

Just my two cents.
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Old 02-14-2018, 12:12 AM   #1235
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I cannot help but wonder if publishing DFRPG adventures wouldn't increase rule set sales. If people like the "fluff" then they will buy the "crunch"?

Just my two cents.
There is a published DFRPG adventure in the companion.
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Old 02-14-2018, 04:05 AM   #1236
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If the Boardgame subreddit is anything to go by, the market these days is so chocked full of new games that people are more focused on collecting "the newest shiniest" game that they will probably play once, then getting anything thats been out for a while.
Exactly. A game is either a hit on Day One, or it swiftly moves to the "I don't want any part of this" pile. Several highly anticipated games from the last few years are now 40%, 50%, or even 60% off these days. And a game that doesn't maintain demand and value is one that isn't worth reprinting.

As mentioned, this is a periodicals market.
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Old 02-14-2018, 04:08 AM   #1237
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The people who like it, like it fine, but there are not enough of you.
Yeah, the lack of sustainable demand for Dungeon Fantasy has _nothing_ to do with the quality of the game. Dungeon Fantasy is an attractive and well-produced box that is loaded with potential for fun. There just aren't thousands of players walking into game stores each week and demanding: "Get me some Dungeon Fantasy!"

This goes back to why preorders -- specifically, preorders in local game shops -- is so very important these days. A game where players are telling the stores "I want this" before release has a higher chance at success than one where the world decides that "I'll get this when I see it."

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Old 02-14-2018, 05:31 AM   #1238
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There is a published DFRPG adventure in the companion.
That's my point. One in the companion, one in the boxed set, one DF adventure that I know of and maybe a handful in Pyramid issues. And they are good, don't get me wrong. But in comparison to the thousands (or so it seems) of adventures for other systems this is minuscule offering. Get people reading some interesting scenarios and maybe they'll buy the rules.
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Old 02-14-2018, 07:36 AM   #1239
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I'm pleased that the POD re-issues of GURPS have been worthwhile enough to expand the range. I note with interest a number of 3E products in the upcoming list, including the 3E core book and Compendium 1 so there must be some belief 3E rules can sell. And some Transhuman Space too, good stuff.

The side benefit of the POD re-issues is it largely solves the problem of ridiculously expensive shipping from the US to the rest of the world.

Now if only Amazon would do POD hardbacks.
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Old 02-14-2018, 08:14 AM   #1240
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It sounds like the current market for games is more like a collectibles market.
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