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Old 07-18-2009, 05:03 PM   #1
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3. CHEAT can be played to make something that would normally be against the rules possible. If I have nothing in my hands can I play cheat on a 2 handed item to use it anyway even though I COULD use the 2 handed weapon?
The scenario that happened that made this an issue was that I had 5 hands and the card (Fiery hands I think) that gave you a +3 bonus for each empty hand you had. I then played 3 Handed sword (+10) with a cheat card and claimed I could use it aswell as still having my 5 hands empty getting a total of +25 bonus. My mate then claimed "well you can use the 3 handed weapon its not against the rules and therefore not a CHEAT"

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Old 07-18-2009, 06:02 PM   #2
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3. CHEAT can be played to make something that would normally be against the rules possible. If I have nothing in my hands can I play cheat on a 2 handed item to use it anyway even though I COULD use the 2 handed weapon?
The scenario that happened that made this an issue was that I had 5 hands and the card (Fiery hands I think) that gave you a +3 bonus for each empty hand you had. I then played 3 Handed sword (+10) with a cheat card and claimed I could use it aswell as still having my 5 hands empty getting a total of +25 bonus. My mate then claimed "well you can use the 3 handed weapon its not against the rules and therefore not a CHEAT"
Cheat! lets you use a single item that would otherwise be against the rules. If the item is not against the rules when you play it, you can't use Cheat! on it because the condition on the Cheat! card is not fulfilled.
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Old 07-19-2009, 03:35 PM   #3
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Cheat! lets you use a single item that would otherwise be against the rules. If the item is not against the rules when you play it, you can't use Cheat! on it because the condition on the Cheat! card is not fulfilled.
In this situation the card was played, but since the requirements were not met for the card to have an effect, wouldn't it simply fades to the discard pile?
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Old 07-19-2009, 06:44 PM   #4
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In this situation the card was played, but since the requirements were not met for the card to have an effect, wouldn't it simply fades to the discard pile?
If I were feeling generous, I'd probably let the player take it back into his hand.

I recognize that "feeling generous" and "playing Munchkin" don't go together for many people, but I don't care for cut-throat games.
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Old 07-19-2009, 07:52 PM   #5
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Cheat! lets you use a single item that would otherwise be against the rules. If the item is not against the rules when you play it, you can't use Cheat! on it because the condition on the Cheat! card is not fulfilled.
Wow, never thought of using the Cheat restriction in that way. We've always valued the Fiery Arms so much because we'd do what ishinken described.

Now, what if you cheated on the 3 Handed Sword BEFORE you obtained whatever it is that gives you extra hands? Would it still effectively be cheated on and take no hands, even though you have enough to use it? Or, say you cheated on the 3 Handed Sword because you're using another Big item, then you stop using that other Big item?

On a similar note... If you have 5 hands with Fiery Arms, are using another Big item, and you cheat on the 3 Handed Sword... is ONLY the Big restriction cheated away because you have the number of open hands necessary, or does it also not take up any hands because, well, it's cheated on?
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Old 07-19-2009, 08:21 PM   #6
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If you're Cheating an item, it's Cheated for any necessary purpose. But the Cheat card has to be legal to play in the first place.
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Old 07-21-2009, 07:01 AM   #7
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So, in this case, if you put the Army Helmet sideways and the Coat of Arms sideways (back to two hands) then cheat the three handed sword, then, put the Helmet and coat back on, would that be legal?
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So, in this case, if you put the Army Helmet sideways and the Coat of Arms sideways (back to two hands) then cheat the three handed sword, then, put the Helmet and coat back on, would that be legal?
Sure, if it's your turn.
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Old 06-29-2010, 07:15 AM   #9
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Related question:

What happens to Cheat! card after the condition is fulfilled? For instance, a player plays Cheat! on an item he can't use because he isn't a certain class (say, fighter). He then becomes a fighter. Does the Cheat! stay with the item? Does it go to the discard? I'm pretty sure it doesn't go back to the hand, though.
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Old 06-29-2010, 08:19 AM   #10
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The game is not so pedantic as to require you to remember why you were using Cheat! on an Item. It stays on the Item until you no longer own it.

As an extra bonus answer, once an Item has Cheat! on it, there are no restrictions to the player who owns it on using it. So, if something is Armor and Warrior-only, you can use Cheat! if you're not a Warrior and later, play a second piece of Armor, all because the type of Item it is doesn't matter for the purposes of you using it. There is no requirement to remember why the Item was cheated, and the conditions of playing Cheat! only matter when you play Cheat!.
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