11-06-2020, 10:23 PM | #21 |
Join Date: May 2015
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Re: Charging against a polearm
I did defend it multiple times, and pretty solidly I think, in the threads you say you read.
One major point is that unless you ignore the ability to change your declared option during a turn, to any other legal options, then your interpretation of RAW would seem to me to mean that no one ever gets to defend against a charge attack, if the foe simply declares he is not attacking during movement, and then changes his action when it becomes his turn to act. Hopefully no one thinks that's the RAW intent? The wording about the "attacker" is just describing the typical expected case. Running up and pretending not to attack doesn't make any sense as a way to deny a foe the ability to skewer you as run up to their spear. The wording in the original rules was the same, and there were several articles about how deadly the (originally double damage, not just +1 die) polearms were, and what could be done about them. Never in all those articles, or in the years of discussions on the TFT email list, was it mentioned "hey, just don't take the Attack option during movement, and then they can't skewer you". |
11-06-2020, 10:35 PM | #22 | |
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Location: Boston area
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Re: Charging against a polearm
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But in the end, I think that your rule makes more thematic sense. I just don't think it's as plausible a reading of RAW as xane's, but I don't reckon that matters much. |
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11-07-2020, 09:27 AM | #23 |
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Re: Charging against a polearm
I feel like a lot of these debates boil down to a proposed reading of a rule that is technically consistent with the rules of english grammar but that obviously leads to bizarre outcomes or wild imbalances in play. There is no way to end these sorts of debates because you can't 'prove' the solution that corresponds to likely intent (and how most people would prefer to play). And the legalistic side can't make its case stick either because not many people would want to sit at a table where the game worked that way. SJG staff are doing the right thing by staying out of it and letting players sort out for themselves what should be done!
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11-07-2020, 11:59 AM | #24 |
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Boston area
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Re: Charging against a polearm
I am loath to decide that the plain English words don't mean what they say explicitly. Hence my reason for this thread.
I don't know what SJ meant when he wrote that, so I tend to assume he meant what he wrote, barring clear evidence to the contrary. On the other hand, I've become convinced that the rule Lars and Skarg suggests is more sensible, so rather than argue over whether SJ meant what he wrote, I've decided to adopt that rule. But I'll always give more weight prima facie to what is actually written. |
11-08-2020, 07:19 AM | #25 | ||
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Still.... in my dream world, SJG has a Melee/Wizard tournament app. The combat rules are simplified but now definitive as the app defines what actions are allowed. (I hads initially hoped something like this was the aim of the computer app thread in these forums). In this amazing app of my daydreams, I summon heroes and create arena teams. My teams fight in campaign mode against a succession of maps and enemies. In PVP I fight against the AI-controlled arena defence teams of other players. The business model is Fire Emblem Heroes and similar mobile apps. Those games make $Millions. Take my money SJG, take it OK, I'm awake now. :) |
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11-08-2020, 01:49 PM | #26 | |
Join Date: May 2015
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Re: Charging against a polearm
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If you're trying to build an argument that the literal meaning of "attack" is significant to the RAW, but then you want to ignore the entire RAW rule about how you can change your option and the only limit is how far you moved, that's not talking about the RAW any more. Denying the ability to change options makes it a house rule, at which point there's no point arguing about the RAW. |
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11-08-2020, 04:25 PM | #27 | |
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Location: Boston area
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You're right that I entered the thread trying to focus on what RAW says, but I've agreed with you and Lars that the better concern is sensible gameplay. So at this point, I'd just as soon drop our disagreement over what RAW says and doesn't. |
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