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Old 06-18-2019, 05:55 AM   #1
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Gargoyle fists do 2D. Is this a HTH only weapon or can they attack into adjacent hexes?
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Old 06-18-2019, 10:54 AM   #2
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They can attack into adjacent hexes. So can human unarmed attacks, though humans do one less point of damage with fists outside of HTH.
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Old 06-19-2019, 05:06 AM   #3
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They can attack into adjacent hexes. So can human unarmed attacks, though humans do one less point of damage with fists outside of HTH.
Awesome, thanks!
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Old 06-19-2019, 06:53 AM   #4
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And a gargoyle with Brawling does 2d+2 (2d+3 in HTH).

With wishes, a gargoyle could get Unarmed Combat V...
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Old 08-02-2019, 12:58 AM   #5
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Does the Warrior/Fighter bonus of +1 to damage stack on that? I seem to recall All Warrior/Fighters get a +1 in any type of non-armed combat, where wizards and civilians do not.
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Old 08-02-2019, 07:33 AM   #6
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Does the Warrior/Fighter bonus of +1 to damage stack on that? I seem to recall All Warrior/Fighters get a +1 in any type of non-armed combat, where wizards and civilians do not.
I'm not familiar with any 'warrior/fighter bonus'.

My question is... shouldn't there be a ST adjustment? It seems odd that a 14 ST PC gargoyle and a 20 ST summoned gargoyle do the exact same damage with their fists in melee.
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Old 08-02-2019, 08:04 AM   #7
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My question is... shouldn't there be a ST adjustment? It seems odd that a 14 ST PC gargoyle and a 20 ST summoned gargoyle do the exact same damage with their fists in melee.
Yes, but it kind of needs to be a house rule to cover it. (My suggestion is here).
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Old 08-02-2019, 01:21 PM   #8
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Does the Warrior/Fighter bonus of +1 to damage stack on that? I seem to recall All Warrior/Fighters get a +1 in any type of non-armed combat, where wizards and civilians do not.
The only +1 that I can think of that MIGHT be what you're thinking of is the +1 everyone gets in HTH. Would that be it?
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Old 08-03-2019, 07:14 PM   #9
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The only +1 that I can think of that MIGHT be what you're thinking of is the +1 everyone gets in HTH. Would that be it?
well, yes and no.

to be clear, in ITL pg. 122 Combat with Bare hands, it says " a fighter in hand-to-hand combat does the appropriate amount of damage for his ST as above (chart) plus 1"

I interpret that as a warrior and not so much all of the non-warrior types.

but i could be wrong, I was married.
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Old 08-03-2019, 07:17 PM   #10
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I'm not familiar with any 'warrior/fighter bonus'.

My question is... shouldn't there be a ST adjustment? It seems odd that a 14 ST PC gargoyle and a 20 ST summoned gargoyle do the exact same damage with their fists in melee.

I think just referencing the damage done by strength chart would address this. granted there isn't a large difference between 14 & 20 ST for base damage, there is indeed a difference.
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